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Would you have supported a smaller healthcare reform act, specifically one that

Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:14 pm
merely outlawed insurance companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions?

Posted by homesicktiger
High altitude hell
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:15 pm to
trollvoted!!!!!

Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:18 pm to
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merely outlawed insurance companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions?


The whole point of insurance is determining risk....
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:24 pm to
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merely outlawed insurance companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions?


Is is ok for a person to not have insurance and then be diagnosed with an illness or disease that requires lots of money to treat and insurance should have to cover it?

Hey I didn't have insurance on my home, but it burned down to the ground and everything was a total. Now I am going to buy insurance and file a claim on my home that burned down before it was insured...
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
20921 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:25 pm to
I would have supported reform that didn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:27 pm to
Depends. Did they have insurance before and had coverage lost for some reason?

Pre-existing conditions is an issue because it can deter people from actually going to the doctor out of fear, but also it doesn't make sense to buy car insurance after an accident and expect it to pay.

I don't know how to solve this problem.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25413 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:27 pm to
Sorry the godless dem/lib conundrum strikes again as Darwin says "pre-existing conditions" are all part of the plan.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69952 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:28 pm to
No. Apparently you don't know how insurance works, Which is incredible for a former "CFO". Shame on you.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:31 pm to
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Rex


I can has cake?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99432 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:31 pm to
No.

People w/ pre-existing conditions could already get insurance before Obamacare. They'd just have to get high-risk policies and pay a much higher premium than healthy people, which is how it should be.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69418 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:34 pm to
Yes
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46590 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:35 pm to
Nah
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36129 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

merely outlawed insurance companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions?


Yeah they would. Then they get their cake without having to fricking pay.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:51 pm to
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merely outlawed insurance companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions?


I would have supported one that would have lowered health care cost by changing the pricing model WHICH would have had the effect of making pre-existing conditions a non-issue.

The IBFreeman health care plan would have taken all government provided health care to a voucher-based system that would have allowed recipients to keep any savings they were able to negotiate from providers. For example medicare people would get a $2000 a month voucher to subscribe to health care services or to buy health insurance. If they could but it for $1500 they would keep the difference.

The IBFreeman plan accomplishes a few very positive things for all of us.

First it makes shoppers out of millions of people. They will be much better shoppers than the government. They will be rewarded for buying lower cost plans while requiring the purchase of healthcare. This incentive will bring thousands of uninsured to the market.

Second it will end the direct purchasing of health care by the government which is filled with corruption and is the main reason health care cost have increased more than the rate of inflation.

Third it will encourage the creation of subscription-based health care eliminating the overhead insurance companies create. This will be the end of health insurance companies. They may morph into subscriber companies but the insurance unknowns will disappear.

Fourth this will allow providers to have predictable streams of income. The impact of pre-existing conditions will be much smaller. The cost in health care is too a large extent fixed. For example, Our Lady of the Lake has similar day to day cost if they do an open heart surgery on a day as they do on a day they do not. It really does not add to their cost to take on a pre-existing condition in a subscription-based pricing system.

Democrats should embrace such a plan because it incentivizes people to get insured and it makes universal coverage a reality.

Republicans should embrace it because it will change the pricing model and end the ever rising floor the direct purchase of health care by the government creates.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72259 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:25 pm to
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merely outlawed insurance companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions?
No, considering that that isn't insurance.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 3:45 pm
Posted by NbamaTiger90
Member since Sep 2012
1752 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:36 pm to
Preexisting conditions occur the majority of the time because of the lack of personal responsibility. I have paid for my own health insurance for 20 years to have only start needing it in the past 2 years.

I didn't wait till I was already diagnosed with an illness to prepare for how it will be paid for.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19489 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:50 pm to
Sure, as long as their wasn't a cap on premium cost for a person with a pre-existing condition.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111705 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 6:18 pm to
Charging people for known risks is part of ...well.. Insurance.


If someone waits until they're sick to get insurance, then you have ... well... Obamacare.
Posted by EastBankTiger
A little west of Hoover Dam
Member since Dec 2003
21363 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 6:30 pm to
I prefer to have what I have now...a great plan that is immune from all of this ACA stupidity.

I'd say that it speaks volumes for a plan when no one that proposed / voted on it uses it while more and more people are being exempted from it since it was implemented.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32431 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 6:50 pm to
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merely outlawed insurance companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions?


Would you do a business plan that knows in advance that your company would lose money? What's worse, you don't even know how much you will lose because you don't how much these pre-existing conditions might cost. What is exactly our business background?
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