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re: Obama to create world's largest ocean preserve
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:25 am to Asgard Device
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:25 am to Asgard Device
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Are commercial loggers, hunters, and trappers unjustly harmed due to federal land preserves?
It takes a lot more fuel and time to get 200 miles out than it does to drive down the road past the federal land preserves.
ETA: Oh, it's around American Samoa. I don't really give a frick then. I still don't see the point though. Probably fricking with someon's livelihood for no good reason.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 8:28 am
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:26 am to Choctaw
quote:
lieing
The hell?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:29 am to Choctaw
He just gets lambasted on here for anything he does
Not that it's surprising. Liberals did the same when bush was in office.
Not that it's surprising. Liberals did the same when bush was in office.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:30 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Oh, it's around American Samoa. I don't really give a frick then. I still don't see the point though. Probably fricking with someon's livelihood for no good reason.
I wonder what Pelosi will have to say about this.
IIRC, her husband has a lot invested in American Samoa and the Marianas, to the point where she pushed to make those areas exempt from the US minimum wage.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:37 am to Asgard Device
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I'm sure the plan will be poorly executed but I need more information before I shake my fist.
Doesn't this answer the last part of your sentence?
quote:
executive action
These have been controversial at best.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:42 am to teke184
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Pretty sure the territorial limits are about 50 miles in any direction from land we control at most, not 200.
The exclusive economic zone goes out 200 nautical miles, I believe.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:46 am to Homesick Tiger
Overfishing and habitat destruction are real maritime issues. If this helps, so be it.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:48 am to Homesick Tiger
meh
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:52 am to Asgard Device
quote:+1
I'm sure the plan will be poorly executed but I need more information before I shake my fist.
Sounds like the area is in the middle of nowhere, actually.
I just find the spin of a pro-pollution Congress vs a "save-the-planet" POTUS a bit humorous.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 8:54 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:03 am to Homesick Tiger
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Obama wants to protect a massive stretch of ocean from drilling, fishing and other actions
Interesting. I wonder if his portfolio has any property in this area?
Sounds like someone is getting ready to ride off into the sunset and doesn't want anyone bothering him.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:05 am to NC_Tigah
My problem is him doing this through executive action. I just don't know how he can do that...it seems though that none of his EO have done shite anyways and are just pandering to idiots I don't think they ever change anything because if they enforce it then it'll go to court and get shot down as unconstitutional.
I'm more curious as to what the fish trade program thing is
I'm more curious as to what the fish trade program thing is
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:11 am to The Calvin
People are right to be skeptical. This thing has some stink attached to it, I'm almost positive.
Do you know how I know? Think for a moment about how this would have been presented if it was a wonderful idea with no negative consequences.
First of all, there would be no need to poke the Republicans in the eye with all this, "He's doing it all by himself cuz those baaad Republicans in Congress hate the enviroment." Contrary to lib-think, Republicans actually support rational environmental conservation.
Secondly, the announcement would have been lauded with ample details of WHY this is such a good thing. It's the absence of details that really make this seem suspicious.
Obama is a campaigner and a shyster, not a president for all Americans. He doesn't lead, he lies, manipulates, and schemes to punish opposition and consolidate power. But even he would not miss the chance to crow about a no-brainer positive action that most Americans on both sides of the aisle would support if only they knew the details.
Politics is foremost.
Hidden agenda is assuredly present.
Unintended consequences - there will surely be many.
Do you know how I know? Think for a moment about how this would have been presented if it was a wonderful idea with no negative consequences.
First of all, there would be no need to poke the Republicans in the eye with all this, "He's doing it all by himself cuz those baaad Republicans in Congress hate the enviroment." Contrary to lib-think, Republicans actually support rational environmental conservation.
Secondly, the announcement would have been lauded with ample details of WHY this is such a good thing. It's the absence of details that really make this seem suspicious.
Obama is a campaigner and a shyster, not a president for all Americans. He doesn't lead, he lies, manipulates, and schemes to punish opposition and consolidate power. But even he would not miss the chance to crow about a no-brainer positive action that most Americans on both sides of the aisle would support if only they knew the details.
Politics is foremost.
Hidden agenda is assuredly present.
Unintended consequences - there will surely be many.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:17 am to udtiger
quote:
I will celebrate like I won the Powerball when that worthless motherfricker leaves the White House.
Yep. I still say that some sort of 'National Holiday/Party' movement is began on social media, so it'll be big by the time of his last day. He needs to know that his kind of *leadership*...is loathed. Such a mass movement/display would send a clear message, as to his protracted stay (he plans to live in Washington after he leaves office; we know why) as to any further interference in the process.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:23 am to deltaland
quote:That's everyone's problem. An EO has no long term stability. It can be undone as quickly as it's done. No one can form long term plans based on an EO in an Administration's 6th yr. Dumb stuff.
My problem is him doing this through executive action
Posted on 6/17/14 at 9:53 am to The Calvin
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You have to remember most of this crowd cheered the killing of bin laden while giving the proverbial double bird to the commander in chief. Because reasons.
Maybe the finger crowd didn't believe him when he claimed to have Al Qaeda on the run.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:22 am to roygu
I'd like to get Capt. Bengal's take on this. Isn't he an Oceanographer or Marine Biologist?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:22 am to boxcarbarney
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boxcarbarney
Nice sig quote.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:35 am to 90proofprofessional
Thanks. Stole it from James Taranto at the Wall Street Journal.
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