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re: Who is the next NBA "Superstar"?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:05 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:05 pm to Lester Earl
I see John Wall having a very good career but I don't see him as a superstar.
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:05 pm to Fun Bunch
Lillard. Once his defense comes around next season and the bench doesn't suck at doing their job, Blazers will finish as a top 3 team, LA and Lillard are known nationally as Superstars, and all is good 
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:07 pm to GynoSandberg
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Why did you post his regular season averages but then used his per 100 poss averages in the playoffs?
Because they played against 2 of the slowest paced teams in the NBA.
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Wall is a good player. How does he stack up against Russell Westbrook, who most would say is a lot closer to super stardom than Wall is
Westbrook is already there. The thread is called "Who is the next NBA 'Superstar'?"
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:07 pm to Lester Earl
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I just don't get how these guys have anything to do with the discussion.
Just giving you examples of how guys improve at different times in their career.
Tony Parker, who I consider is the best PG in the NBA, had his best season in his 8th year in the NBA. He was always a good NBA PG, but he really broke out in his 8th year and became that star PG that he is today... in his 8th year in the NBA.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:08 pm to ehidal1
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I see John Wall having a very good career but I don't see him as a superstar.
yea like i said, he reminds me of baron davis. He has some flash and is streaky, but in the end he'll never win anything.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:13 pm to KG5989
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Tony Parker, who I consider is the best PG in the NBA, had his best season in his 8th year in the NBA. He was always a good NBA PG, but he really broke out in his 8th year and became that star PG that he is today... in his 8th year in the NBA.
I don't see how that's relevant at all. Did that vault him to a superstar or something? He was an all star who had 3 rings and a Finals MVP to his resume before that season
He's always been really good. He happened to take more shots that year, which improved his PPG.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:16 pm to Fun Bunch
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Well, you're wrong. A Superstar is so good they transcend the sport.
When did I say anything about transcending the sport?
All I said is that I dont think a superstar has to be a household name or be pumped up by the media. The media sticks with their big market teams. Hell, the Spurs never get any publicity until the playoffs and they are far and away the best team.
Hell, a lot of NBA analysts and FO people think that Giannis Antetokounmpo could be a star down the road. And he didnt do anything this year.
Again, all I said is that John Wall could become a superstar down the road when he hits his ceiling. I dont think hes a finished product right now. I think he has a ceiling higher than the likes of Irving and Lillard. Just because those guys are better today, doesnt mean they will be better in 2 years or so.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:17 pm to RTR America
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Because they played against 2 of the slowest paced teams in the NBA.
I'm not nitpicking your argument but you can't say the Pacers were a train wreck and the East sucks then say they were legit playoffcompetition for Wall.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:17 pm to htran90
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If you put BG as a superstar, you have to put CP3 as well. Get what I mean? People were excited about the clippers after his rookie year, but the moment CP3 came it was like giving a fat kid chocolate cake.
Absolutely. Are there people who don't consider CP3 a superstar?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:19 pm to JohnnyKilroy
To be fair, griffin brought his game to a new level this season. You can tell he puts in the work to get better.
Not directed at me, but CP3 is a superstar
Not directed at me, but CP3 is a superstar
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:24 pm to theducks
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I'm not nitpicking your argument but you can't say the Pacers were a train wreck and the East sucks then say they were legit playoffcompetition for Wall.
What does pace have do to with that? The Grizz have played at the slowest pace in the NBA the past 2 seasons.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:38 pm to Lester Earl
Yea he has always been a good PG, never said he wasnt... but that 2008 season did vault him into that elite category of players IMO. And no he didnt just shoot more. He shot 50.6%, which was up from the season before, and had his career high in assists up to that point.
He was always a really good PG, but that was the season where he became an elite player. That was the 1st season in which the Spurs became Tony Parkers team IMO. That was the year where he started to run the show and became the guy for the Spurs.
And its relevant because you keep on bringing up the fact that Wall just completed his 4th season, like he wont improve or take that next step and that he "is what he is", even though he is still just 23years old. Just saying players take that next step at different times of their career. And it doesnt matter how long they have been in the league.
I just really think some of yall are underrating the type of player Wall could be 1 day due to his freakish athleticism and creative passing ability. Think Westbrooks athleticism + Rondo's creative passing ability. Wall is 6'4 with 6'9.25 wing span, an 8'8 standing reach and a 39" max vert. And is arguably the fastest player in the NBA with this ball in his hands. Out of all the PGs in the NBA this year, Wall was 5th in scoring, 2nd in assists, 7th in rebounding, 4th in steals, 2nd in blocks, and 2nd in double doubles.... at 23years old.
He was always a really good PG, but that was the season where he became an elite player. That was the 1st season in which the Spurs became Tony Parkers team IMO. That was the year where he started to run the show and became the guy for the Spurs.
And its relevant because you keep on bringing up the fact that Wall just completed his 4th season, like he wont improve or take that next step and that he "is what he is", even though he is still just 23years old. Just saying players take that next step at different times of their career. And it doesnt matter how long they have been in the league.
I just really think some of yall are underrating the type of player Wall could be 1 day due to his freakish athleticism and creative passing ability. Think Westbrooks athleticism + Rondo's creative passing ability. Wall is 6'4 with 6'9.25 wing span, an 8'8 standing reach and a 39" max vert. And is arguably the fastest player in the NBA with this ball in his hands. Out of all the PGs in the NBA this year, Wall was 5th in scoring, 2nd in assists, 7th in rebounding, 4th in steals, 2nd in blocks, and 2nd in double doubles.... at 23years old.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:02 pm to KG5989
Obvious answer is Anthony Davis,but I would also add kyrie Irving, and john wall. Do you all consider Westbrook and curry superstars yet, because if not they have to be mentioned. Paul George, kawhi leonard And lastly demarcus cousins.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:30 pm to LSU Piston
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Prediction -
Pop turns Austin Daye into Dirk Nowitzki 2.0.
SHUSH!
Tryna keep the legend of AD under wraps for now
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:35 pm to Lester Earl
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along with the ones youve mentioned, id prob throw in Derrick Rose, Carmelo, and maybe Dwight Howard into the mix. CP3 is def a superstar in my eyes. So in conclusion, there are maybe 10 in the whole league
That's what I'm not sure of.
In order I'd say Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Duncan (him and Kobe because of what they've done), CP3, Blake Griffin, Melo, Rose (would be higher if he hasn't been injured), Dwight Howard, Paul George and maybe Steph Curry. I think the list has to stop after that. Kevin Love would be better than every other player on the list but it would be absurd to remotely classify him as a superstar. I have no problems with CP3 being a superstar, but after that I think it gets questionable. A superstar not only transcends the game, but the league in general. For example I could understand Duncan not being classified as a superstar even though he is the best power forward to ever play the game because he doesn't transcend the league in the same way that so many others do.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:31 pm to mjw60532
In all honesty, that has got to be the most idiotic logic I have ever heard in my life
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:35 pm to Fun Bunch
Dougie McBuckets is the only answer.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:42 pm to QJenk
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In all honesty, that has got to be the most idiotic logic I have ever heard in my life
How would you define a superstar out of curiosity? I'm open to interpretation on what people think, but I've always thought you have to be a top 5, maybe top 10 player in the league to be considered a superstar. My main issue is with people considering guys like Irving and Love superstars when they haven't even reached the playoffs yet.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 12:54 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Absolutely. Are there people who don't consider CP3 a superstar?
OP apparently since he said Lebron, durant, and kobe were the only superstars...and you "could make a case" for cp3
Posted on 6/14/14 at 2:51 am to Fun Bunch
Harden will fit the description next year by this time.
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