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Righties - if you had a choice between minimum wage and unions

Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:12 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36129 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:12 pm
Choose-

1) A Constitutional amendment protecting the right of businesses and unions to form union shop agreements (invalidating so called "right to work" laws, which are really just right to freeload laws) - AND - a Constitutional amendment abolishing minimum wage laws.

-OR-

2) Raising the minimum wage to $12/hour and indexing it to inflation, while maintaining the status quo on unions (allowing states to effectively destroy them at will).


I would personally choose 1. With strong unions minimum wages laws aren't really needed.



This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 11:14 pm
Posted by Ryne Sandberg
Team Am Mart
Member since Apr 2009
19386 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

Righties
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69492 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:14 pm to
quote:

1)
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40257 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:16 pm to
Is there an option C?
Posted by Malik Agar
Member since Nov 2012
12076 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:19 pm to
I'll take both if that means you never post here again
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:19 pm to
Potato.
Posted by Ryne Sandberg
Team Am Mart
Member since Apr 2009
19386 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

minimum wages laws aren't really needed.

agreed!
Posted by Stuckinthe90s
Dallas, TX
Member since Apr 2013
2580 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:26 pm to
Option 2(better of two bad options), because there would no longer be a discussion on minimum wage. after it is set to 12 and keep to inflation, the market will settle and adjust to it. Unions are no longer necessary in many industries do to the strength of public opinion and the world being so much smaller do to the internet. Also states should have the right to kick unions out.


This being said, I also say we need an amendment to take care of Citizens United as it opens the door to international citizens and businesses directly affecting our domestic policies.
Posted by Doosh606
The DC
Member since Apr 2008
3232 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:27 pm to
unions are going down the drain as it is, and as soon as people realize how much minimum wage laws will kill jobs, they will go to. You can't legislate jobs into creation... Yes China is killing is on cost of labor, but forcing businesses to pay more will only kill the small businesses that unskilled laborers need to survive.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
69957 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:31 pm to
You know you're a fat fricking idiot, right?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40257 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:33 pm to
with either option automation would accelerate. I know my family's farm would look into those new self driving tractors if either of those passed.

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This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 11:36 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46626 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:42 pm to
If those are my two choices, I'd have to pick #1. The consequences of #2 would be extensive and debilitating to many industries.
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13969 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:50 pm to
Not a righty but Unions are outdated and not needed anymore. Given a choice, look how many opted out!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425838 posts
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:59 pm to
i'd probably take the min wage b/c it would be less destructive and avoid seeing detroit over and over again
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51958 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:24 am to
So you are asking me to either destroy state rights and freedom or destroy state rights and freedom.....


Can I abstain?
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:25 am
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14941 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:32 am to
I choose socialism, how 'bout you? Be honest.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 5:36 am to
The whole premise in your post that states can destroy unions at will and the characterization of right to work laws is laughable.
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5737 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 5:50 am to
quote:

Righties
Nice play on whiteys. Racist.

Unions, FWIW. Racist.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 5:52 am
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56332 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 6:43 am to
1)

doesn't have as big of an impact on the supply and demand of labor as unions do I don't think.
Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
16491 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 7:32 am to
Unions do nothing but raise the cost of goods and services. I'd take right to work and maybe increase minimum wage slightly. If people working minimum wage jobs don't like the pay, get training and find a better job. Right now industry can't find skilled workers. I have a son who just finished high school a few weeks ago and got hired immediately as an electrical apprentice at $11 an hour and the company is paying for him to go through the trade school at night for 4 years. The wages and work are out there if people get off their asses and are willing to work.
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