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well, it's probably time to assign blame over Soviet breakup isn't it?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:14 pm
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - A small group of lawmakers have asked Russia's top prosecutor to investigate whether the last Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, should face treason charges over his role in the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.
Gorbachev dismissed the request as an act of publicity-seeking and said there were no grounds to charge him.
It follows a surge of patriotism since Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine last month, which has revived nostalgia among some Russians for the Soviet Union and boosted President Vladimir Putin's popularity ratings.
MOSCOW (Reuters) - A small group of lawmakers have asked Russia's top prosecutor to investigate whether the last Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, should face treason charges over his role in the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.
Gorbachev dismissed the request as an act of publicity-seeking and said there were no grounds to charge him.
It follows a surge of patriotism since Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine last month, which has revived nostalgia among some Russians for the Soviet Union and boosted President Vladimir Putin's popularity ratings.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:22 pm to LSUneaux
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It follows a surge of patriotism since Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine last month, which has revived nostalgia among some Russians for the Soviet Union and boosted President Vladimir Putin's popularity ratings.
The reports out of Russia about just how deep and ubiquitous the propaganda is these days is staggering. If Putin finally runs into any kind of wall where he can't do as he pleases so easily or actual sanctions are enacted that severely hurt the Russian economy, I could see the state-run TV and newspapers slip even further down the Orwellian slope towards North Korea levels of brainwashing. The "patriotism" reported in the news is a pretty shady paradigm.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:27 pm to Rohan2Reed
They are too dependent on European democracy to keep this "momentum" up for a sustained period of time. It's not even about 'Merica.
The annexing of Crimea is a blight on world democracy right now, but it's just a snap shot in time. Democracy is the world's future. Russia is going to find that out AGAIN.
The annexing of Crimea is a blight on world democracy right now, but it's just a snap shot in time. Democracy is the world's future. Russia is going to find that out AGAIN.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:45 pm to Rohan2Reed
It absolutely shutters me we were in a Cold War for 50 years with these absolute shitholes.
Google streetview of Kharkiv, Ukraine: Wow...
more Soviet housing:
Google streetview of Kharkiv, Ukraine: Wow...
more Soviet housing:
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:12 pm to LSUneaux
Why not trend back towards communism and go after those who led to the break up? What is America going to do? Piss and moan in the corner and then threaten to take away your toys?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:16 pm to LSUneaux
American media will not help. They identify Gorby as the sole reason the Cold War came to an end.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:17 pm to LSUneaux
Sobering. It's like Russia is taking a page out of Nazi Germany's playbook.
Gorbachev wasn't the bad guy. Their stupid arse system didn't (doesn't) work. It took them 70 years to figure that out, and 25 years to forget what they learned.
Gorbachev wasn't the bad guy. Their stupid arse system didn't (doesn't) work. It took them 70 years to figure that out, and 25 years to forget what they learned.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 4:24 am to LSUneaux
Putting the band back together in mother russia
Posted on 4/11/14 at 5:23 am to KCT
Russia's high water mark was under communism, so there's a certain amount of nostalgia about that, but it's only secondary. The real driving force is nationalism/imperialism. If they could find a surviving Romanov somewhere, I'm sure Putin would put him on the throne as a figurehead Tsar.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 5:44 am to LSUneaux
So all of the people calling for freedom over the continuation of the Soviet Union has nothing to do with the results. When Boris Yeltsin stood on a tnk top outside of the White House in Moscow and Gorby was a hostage in Odessa the people and Yeltsin seeking their desires be heard and recognized Gorby was at fault. Really sadder than blame Bush or anyone else has become sadder in the last five years,
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:23 am to CITWTT
Boris for the last five years of his life =/= "sober". This is spin but Gorby (unfortunately for him?) is still alive and some folks are looking for a scapegoat.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:37 am to soccerfüt
From time to time I love watching YouTube videos of the final days of the Soviet Union, final days of a huge country.... Good shite
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:10 am to soccerfüt
It came as the mildest surprise to me just because it was the first thing covered by NPR when the radio woke me up. I had been telling people mostly friends or other Poli Sci peeps that the Soviet Union was going to implode at some point "in the near future"
Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:25 am to CITWTT
how scary is today's Russia compared to the Soviet Union?
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:27 am to LSUneaux
Looks like Gorbachev better go pay more homage to Putin if he wants to stay out of jail.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:25 am to constant cough
Let's do this, the Cold War beats the shite out of the WOT.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:20 pm to LSUneaux
I could post US HOUSING HERE:
I'm not sure how that is on topic with what is going on.
I'm not sure how that is on topic with what is going on.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:22 pm to constant cough
I still like the read of Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn. As Putin moves, it looks as if his 148 predictions continue to be proven. 139 so far have been accurate.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:48 pm to darkhorse
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I still like the read of Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn. As Putin moves, it looks as if his 148 predictions continue to be proven. 139 so far have been accurate.
if i understand The Perestroika Deception correctly, the premise here is to befriend the west, and hide your strength while lulling your opponent in to sense of security to the point wher youve overpowered them without notice.
Looking at Putin's actions, it could easily be interpreted that this is in fact what hes attempting to do. Look at some of the moves: modifying Russian constitution so he can run for president again, insterts himself in Syria and Iran, becomes member of G8, builds European dependance on Russian energy... all signs that he's participating responsibly in the international community to build trust.
perhaps he feels the deception has matured and its time to assert Russian power. Or maybe the oustering of the Russian-allied Ukrainian president forced his hand a little early?
Either way, i think he blew his wad early, if deception was even possible to achieve.
The premise is built upon strength, of which Russia has very little due to its limited economy, not to mention the lack of appeal from former soviet staters to re-join a new USSR.
When this strategy was conceived, a globally interconnected economy was likely beyond imagination. It likely makes The Perestroika Deception difficult if not impossible to implement with an economy limited to gas exports.
Putin is playing a losing hand. Unfortunately it will take some time to play out unless hes willing to risk WWIII.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 12:51 pm
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