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Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:14 pm
According to the left and gay lobby, there is no middle ground, if you are against gay marriage and believe homosexuality is a sin, you are an anti-gay hate filled bigot who deserves ridicule at the highest extent.
Myself, as a lifelong Christian who has taken plenty of intense discipleship classes and in depth Bible Courses throughout my life and has read the Bible multiple times through, I have come to my own conclusion that there is no biblical evidence that God would support a homosexual relationship or marriage. I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
So therefore I oppose gay marriage on these grounds, and believe homosexuality is a sin. I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
However I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot. I don't go around persecuting gays or harassing them, or saying that they will burn in hell for being gay. I don't go up to them and judge them, or attack them. I don't engage in violent or hateful rhetoric toward gays. I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will. And I fail to see how holding that belief makes me a violent, hateful, bigot who seeks to oppress gays.
TLDR, according to the gay lobby if you oppose same sex marriage or believe homosexuality is a sin, you are no different than the Westboro funeral picketers.
Myself, as a lifelong Christian who has taken plenty of intense discipleship classes and in depth Bible Courses throughout my life and has read the Bible multiple times through, I have come to my own conclusion that there is no biblical evidence that God would support a homosexual relationship or marriage. I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
So therefore I oppose gay marriage on these grounds, and believe homosexuality is a sin. I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
However I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot. I don't go around persecuting gays or harassing them, or saying that they will burn in hell for being gay. I don't go up to them and judge them, or attack them. I don't engage in violent or hateful rhetoric toward gays. I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will. And I fail to see how holding that belief makes me a violent, hateful, bigot who seeks to oppress gays.
TLDR, according to the gay lobby if you oppose same sex marriage or believe homosexuality is a sin, you are no different than the Westboro funeral picketers.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:19 pm to goldennugget
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:22 pm to goldennugget
Words mean things. Our government at one time recognized married to be defined as between a man and a woman, so I never supported gay marriage. I did support civil unions that had the same rights as marriage. Yes, I know it's only words. But words mean things. I don't like definitions changing to suit a social agenda. The gays can get married now since the government has changed the definition.
As far as homosexuality goes, it's none of my business what consenting adults do. I'm not in favor of children being taught 'alternative life styles.' Let the kids figure it out on their own.
As far as homosexuality goes, it's none of my business what consenting adults do. I'm not in favor of children being taught 'alternative life styles.' Let the kids figure it out on their own.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:24 pm to goldennugget
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Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Take the word "marriage" out of it all. Everyone gets to have the basic civil contract for coupling with all the rights that go along with what is traditionally seen as "marriage." Leave the term "marriage" to the churches.
As far as homosexuality is concerned I do not care what others do in their bedroom. It's very simple...don't tread on me and I won't tread on you. BTW, I am a Christian.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:25 pm to goldennugget
Most people can't understand that you can hate a sin, but not the sinner. They see any disagreement as bigotry and hate (this is a problem on all sides of the aisle). It is really sad.
I can oppose gay marriage, as it is trying to be legislated right now, on many more grounds than just religious beliefs.
I can have my own personal beliefs about homosexuality, and it will have no bearing on how I interact or relate to gay friends or family.
I can oppose gay marriage, as it is trying to be legislated right now, on many more grounds than just religious beliefs.
I can have my own personal beliefs about homosexuality, and it will have no bearing on how I interact or relate to gay friends or family.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:26 pm to goldennugget
Yes, if you are discussing it with anyone that has a brain
But if I was the CEO of a public company I would never comment on it…..the LGB mafia will have you stepping down in no time
But if I was the CEO of a public company I would never comment on it…..the LGB mafia will have you stepping down in no time
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:29 pm to goldennugget
I don't think government-sanctioned marriage should be a right because it requires that government be put into action. Therefore, I don't think the federal government should be able to require states to award marriage certificates to anyone.
Now, if a state wants to allow gay marriage, I completely support that.
My biggest issue is the expansion of government power and the changing nature of the concept of a "right."
Now, if a state wants to allow gay marriage, I completely support that.
My biggest issue is the expansion of government power and the changing nature of the concept of a "right."
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:33 pm to goldennugget
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Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
From the Religious bigots pov...nope. It's rewrite the Bible to 'equalize' their chosen behavior...or, you suck. Thought police, in effect.
The backlash when the whole thing implodes won't be pretty. Of course - as it should be - people will be judged and accepted or rejected on the basis of their INDIVIDUAL merit as a decent human...nws sexual eccentricities. The 'look' in their eye as it were.
"where there is no vision, my people die" (Biblical). Or at least go off the rails.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:35 pm to goldennugget
Merriam-Webster says that a bigot is "a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. ... a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)."
I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people.
Now, I'm going to look at what you've said.
That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
So, while you aren't a "violent, hateful,[sic] bigot who seeks* to oppress gays," I don't agree with your assertion that your views on homosexuality aren't a form of bigotry.
But, hey, I don't think you're a bad person; I don't even know you. I'm just offering my perspective on what you've said.
*"Seeks" really is the saving grace here, because while you believe that you don't actively seek to oppress people, your beliefs are oppressive.
I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people.
Now, I'm going to look at what you've said.
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I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
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I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will.
That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
So, while you aren't a "violent, hateful,[sic] bigot who seeks* to oppress gays," I don't agree with your assertion that your views on homosexuality aren't a form of bigotry.
But, hey, I don't think you're a bad person; I don't even know you. I'm just offering my perspective on what you've said.
*"Seeks" really is the saving grace here, because while you believe that you don't actively seek to oppress people, your beliefs are oppressive.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:37 pm to goldennugget
Gay marriage? Yes
Homosexuality? No.
Homosexuality? No.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:45 pm to goldennugget
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Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Of course it is.
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I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
The problem is that most conflate the act, the idea, and the IDEAL. All different things. If you believe that the act is sinful, that's fine. As long as you don't want to legislate that, then you aren't really a bigot. But the act shouldn't have anything to do with the legal contract of marriage.
If we were to say, remove the word marriage, call it a civil contract, and put everyone under that, leaving the word marriage to churches and other institutions, would you be opposed to two people of the same sex entering into a legal contract owning rights, properties and other legal necessities including children and/or offspring rights as outlined by the contract? In this case, do you think God would be against that?
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So therefore I oppose gay marriage on these grounds, and believe homosexuality is a sin. I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
However I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot.
If you believe they should get out of marriage than no, you should feel ok about that. The Christian right is coming from a place that defines marriage, puts the emphasis on the union itself and everything it represents TO THEM, concurrently, the pro-gay marriage left are coming at it from the emotional place of "love." Sure they might mention the rights involved, but everyone has the same rights, so it comes down to being "married," to the "person you love." It's about religion and the sacred/Love on one side, and "Love," as an ideal and emotional bond on the other.
The government shouldn't be involved in either. That's the problem.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:51 pm to goldennugget
quote:If you have a strong belief about it, why would you care how you were labeled? I happen to believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Label me any way you want based on that belief.
Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:53 pm to goldennugget
I'd say that every heterosexual in a traditional marriage is against gay marriage. If they weren't, they'd be in a gay marriage......
Posted on 4/4/14 at 3:14 pm to goldennugget
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However I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot.
I don't think it makes you hateful. If I knew how you would vote on the issue, I think it might make you an authoritarian.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 3:15 pm to goldennugget
bigot
Posted on 4/4/14 at 3:16 pm to goldennugget
To answer the OP.... I think it is possible. I don't care what people do in their bedrooms. And I'm fine if gheys get married. It's really none of my business.
BUT, unfortunately, there is a dedicated, and vocal, minority of activists (many aren't ghey) that want to use the issue to attack religion. We have an example that regularly posts here.
I simply cannot support that agenda. Thus, I simply can NOT lend my approval to the pro-marriage of the agenda. I flatly refuse to attack other's religion.
SO... I've become anti-ghey marriage. And that makes me sad. But until the ghey lobby demonstrates the same level of tolerance they demand for themselves--I will not support them. I'm ready. But they have a looong way to go.
BUT, unfortunately, there is a dedicated, and vocal, minority of activists (many aren't ghey) that want to use the issue to attack religion. We have an example that regularly posts here.
I simply cannot support that agenda. Thus, I simply can NOT lend my approval to the pro-marriage of the agenda. I flatly refuse to attack other's religion.
SO... I've become anti-ghey marriage. And that makes me sad. But until the ghey lobby demonstrates the same level of tolerance they demand for themselves--I will not support them. I'm ready. But they have a looong way to go.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 3:40 pm to goldennugget
As a Christian I think it is a sin. I am also taught as a Christian that all sins are judged equally in the eyes of The Lord, and I am in no place to judge others. A mans homosexuality is no worse a sin than me taking a girl home from a bar. We are all imperfect and we all sin. The key to salvation is admitting your sin to Christ and asking forgiveness.
That said, I have no hate for gay people. I think the act is gross and would not want to watch it or partake in it but I will treat a gay man with the same respect as anyone else as long as he treats me respectfully.
I do not think the gay movement should be promoted or celebrated. We should not embrace sin. We should treat them equally under the law but we should maintain the idea that it is still morally wrong and society should reject such behavior
That said, I have no hate for gay people. I think the act is gross and would not want to watch it or partake in it but I will treat a gay man with the same respect as anyone else as long as he treats me respectfully.
I do not think the gay movement should be promoted or celebrated. We should not embrace sin. We should treat them equally under the law but we should maintain the idea that it is still morally wrong and society should reject such behavior
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:09 pm to goldennugget
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Myself, as a lifelong Christian who has taken plenty of intense discipleship classes and in depth Bible Courses throughout my life and has read the Bible multiple times through, I have come to my own conclusion that there is no biblical evidence that God would support a homosexual relationship or marriage. I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
What do your religious views on marriage have to do with secular state marriage?
Clearly you don't like gay people which you are entitled to do, however, people are also entitled to call you an idiot and refuse to buy what you're selling....for your wanting to impose your bigoted views on others through unequal application of the law you bear the price and the criticism.
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I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
There shouldn't be any state sanctioned marriage...you contract as you like. If you want to get "married" join a church.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:13 pm to goldennugget
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According to the left and gay lobby, there is no middle ground, if you are against gay marriage and believe homosexuality is a sin, you are an anti-gay hate filled bigot who deserves ridicule at the highest extent.
Myself, as a lifelong Christian who has taken plenty of intense discipleship classes and in depth Bible Courses throughout my life and has read the Bible multiple times through, I have come to my own conclusion that there is no biblical evidence that God would support a homosexual relationship or marriage. I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
So therefore I oppose gay marriage on these grounds, and believe homosexuality is a sin. I do think that the federal government should get out of marriage, and that the states should decide how to handle marriage.
However I don't think this makes me a hateful anti-gay bigot. I don't go around persecuting gays or harassing them, or saying that they will burn in hell for being gay. I don't go up to them and judge them, or attack them. I don't engage in violent or hateful rhetoric toward gays. I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will. And I fail to see how holding that belief makes me a violent, hateful, bigot who seeks to oppress gays.
TLDR, according to the gay lobby if you oppose same sex marriage or believe homosexuality is a sin, you are no different than the Westboro funeral picketers.
Yeah, I'm sure God has a major problem with two people loving one another to the point that they want to profess their commitment with a public and legal ceremony. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:17 pm to goldennugget
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goldennugget
It is absolutely possible. However left leaners will just throw a strawman, blanket argument out about how religion is intolerant and yada yada yada (insert double standard excuses here).
I don't eat liver because I think it's absolutely disgusting but I don't take issue with people who like it. I Guess they are the fools for being friends with a bigot.
ETA: definition of biggoted: having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.
Seems to me this defines someone other than an individual who is against gay marriage but does not let that affect his actions towards pro gay marriage individuals.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 4:19 pm
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