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The "religious right" is a boogeyman blown out of proportion
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:56 pm
I always see people complaining about the "religious right" and "social conservatives" etc.
My guess is that the people complaining about the religious right and social conservatives see them as foaming at the mouth angry white trash redneck bible thumpers standing on street corners shouting that people who are gay or commit other sins are going to hell. People who viscously attack non-believers and sinners and show outright hate toward them. And that their Sunday Church services are like klan rallies, full of a pastor at a pulpit spewing hate and anger and a congregation loudly agreeing. AKA people view all people who are social conservatives as Westboro Baptist Church caricatures.
But I go to a Southern Baptist Church and no one at my Church fits that mold. We are all nice, caring people with families and kids, who help each other out and do things to contribute to the community. There isn't any hate that I see. If any of you atheists and those who hate social conservatives and conservative Christians came to my Sunday School class and sat in there you would find normal Americans of different backgrounds who are nice and caring people, not hate filled. Your perceptions would change
This is why I think the media loves to cover Westboro, because they know ignorant people will link the Westboro crazies to all people of religious faith and those who are southern social conservatives. That is the goal
My guess is that the people complaining about the religious right and social conservatives see them as foaming at the mouth angry white trash redneck bible thumpers standing on street corners shouting that people who are gay or commit other sins are going to hell. People who viscously attack non-believers and sinners and show outright hate toward them. And that their Sunday Church services are like klan rallies, full of a pastor at a pulpit spewing hate and anger and a congregation loudly agreeing. AKA people view all people who are social conservatives as Westboro Baptist Church caricatures.
But I go to a Southern Baptist Church and no one at my Church fits that mold. We are all nice, caring people with families and kids, who help each other out and do things to contribute to the community. There isn't any hate that I see. If any of you atheists and those who hate social conservatives and conservative Christians came to my Sunday School class and sat in there you would find normal Americans of different backgrounds who are nice and caring people, not hate filled. Your perceptions would change
This is why I think the media loves to cover Westboro, because they know ignorant people will link the Westboro crazies to all people of religious faith and those who are southern social conservatives. That is the goal
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:58 pm to goldennugget
You can't lump all people religious or not in the same mold as you stated. There are wackos in every group and there are good people in every group. TD stands as a good example.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:58 pm to goldennugget
you know what sucks arse? blue laws.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:02 pm to goldennugget
both sides create stereotype "boogeymen" in this fashion to demonize the "other" group.
the truth is obviously not that simple.
the truth is obviously not that simple.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:02 pm to goldennugget
So long as they don't use the government to legislate their morals (the same being said for progressives), then I have no problem with them. I'm not religious by any means, but I am not some militant atheist who likes to shite all over people's traditions.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:03 pm to goldennugget
The problem is that we have a large portion of society that believe that those Christians don't have the same rights of free speech and beliefs as others. The left screams about "seperation of church and state" because they want those in church silenced in favor of a state that has no moral compass but is all powerful. A state that punishes those who produce, pay taxes personally and in their businesses because they view that when you open a business you must forfeit your first amendment rights in favor of those that aren't paying taxes. They demand so much information about those tax payers and how they spend their money and have made the law that all of their employees must provide a government issued ID and their SS card as proof to work yet they claim that laws requiring an ID to vote are unconstitutional and create an unneccessary burden on the poor minorities that supposedly are unable to obtain them.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:03 pm to goldennugget
Ya think? 
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:08 pm to goldennugget
I am not a fan of their message at all. I just don't agree, and they rub me the wrong way.
If you spot off about gays, abortion, and how society morals are decaying, I probably won't vote for you.
but the jokes on the voters that do vote this way, b.c they sure as hell don't get anything out of the president or congress. GWB talked the talk but gave them absolutely jack shite in terms of their asks.
Its sorta like feminists and unions with democrats, or even blacks. The dems have a lock, talk the talk but when it comes to legislation they care about, well suddenly it doesn't get passed.
If you spot off about gays, abortion, and how society morals are decaying, I probably won't vote for you.
but the jokes on the voters that do vote this way, b.c they sure as hell don't get anything out of the president or congress. GWB talked the talk but gave them absolutely jack shite in terms of their asks.
Its sorta like feminists and unions with democrats, or even blacks. The dems have a lock, talk the talk but when it comes to legislation they care about, well suddenly it doesn't get passed.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:09 pm to goldennugget
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There isn't any hate that I see. If any of you atheists and those who hate social conservatives and conservative Christians came to my Sunday School class and sat in there you would find normal Americans of different backgrounds who are nice and caring people, not hate filled. Your perceptions would change
I think you make an assumption regarding perceptions based on the ability to argue about topics on this board in a rather open way. In addition, you make it sound like we atheists live in some place where we DON'T run into an mingle with you, your family and your friends on a nearly daily basis. We do. In some cases that's a good thing...in others, not so much. But please don;t pretend that social conservatives make up some fringe percentage of the population and we'd need to run on down to your church on a perfectly good Sunday morning in order to get the "true" picture.
I'm as outspoken an atheist as there is on here, and I've never once suggested that the vast majority of the people I know who are Christians (and nearly everyone I know is, obviously) are not genuinely good people. Individually.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:16 pm to goldennugget
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My guess is that the people complaining about the religious right and social conservatives see them as foaming at the mouth angry white trash redneck bible thumpers standing on street corners shouting that people who are gay or commit other sins are going to hell. People who viscously attack non-believers and sinners and show outright hate toward them. And that their Sunday Church services are like klan rallies, full of a pastor at a pulpit spewing hate and anger and a congregation loudly agreeing. AKA people view all people who are social conservatives as Westboro Baptist Church caricatures.
I think that is how you see people seeing you when in fact most people know that religious right, social cons are just people who want to tell others how to live. You're nice and caring is long as everyone acts according to how you believe...and your beliefs are represented in law.
The media covered Westboro because they were so outlandish.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:02 pm to goldennugget
Golden Nugget:
Most political operatives, left or right, know exactly what you're saying, but that is not useful to them. It is USEFUL for those on the left to characterize religious people as "wackos," aiding them in persuading non or less religious voters that the conservative candidates can't be a reasonable choice because, well, look how damned crazy/racist/etc. they are. It is a form of ad hom attack, and both sides do it when they can. It is a great way of getting voters who might have mixed positions on issues to focus on "your" issues. For example, younger, educated voters in urban areas will often tell that they just don't have a choice but to vote Dem due to social issues such as gay marriage. I suspect that they could easily identify with the GOP on many other issues but they don't want to be associated with the party of racist homophobes.
What's funny is that the left is doing what they used to accuse the right of doing with lower and lower-middle class white voters/
Most political operatives, left or right, know exactly what you're saying, but that is not useful to them. It is USEFUL for those on the left to characterize religious people as "wackos," aiding them in persuading non or less religious voters that the conservative candidates can't be a reasonable choice because, well, look how damned crazy/racist/etc. they are. It is a form of ad hom attack, and both sides do it when they can. It is a great way of getting voters who might have mixed positions on issues to focus on "your" issues. For example, younger, educated voters in urban areas will often tell that they just don't have a choice but to vote Dem due to social issues such as gay marriage. I suspect that they could easily identify with the GOP on many other issues but they don't want to be associated with the party of racist homophobes.
What's funny is that the left is doing what they used to accuse the right of doing with lower and lower-middle class white voters/
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:24 pm to goldennugget
quote:"Religious Right" is a political term, not a religious one.
The "religious right" is a boogeyman blown out of proportion
It implies Christian Politics.
Insofar as the "religious right" strives for defense of its own space, I have no problem with it at all. As the "antireligious left" has been aggressive at expanding its positions over the years, that expansion certainly invites response. However, problems arise when the "Religious Right" oversteps as with Blue Laws, Christian proselytizing on the public dime, etc. E.g., what apparently occurred in the Sabine Parish School District.
Unfortunately given the chance, the latter is often more rule than exception.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:51 pm to goldennugget
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But I go to a Southern Baptist Church and no one at my Church fits that mold. We are all nice, caring people with families and kids, who help each other out and do things to contribute to the community. There isn't any hate that I see. If any of you atheists and those who hate social conservatives and conservative Christians came to my Sunday School class and sat in there you would find normal Americans of different backgrounds who are nice and caring people, not hate filled. Your perceptions would change
After reading about some of the stuff Southern Baptists have done lately there is no doubt they occupy just about the lowest rung on the Protestant denomination ladder. They withheld 7 million dollars from an orphanage in Kentucky because the head of the orphanage said they shouldn't ban gay people from working there. Yes, you heard that right. IN 2014, the Southern Baptists don't even want to hire a gay person.
FTR, I was raised Southern Baptist.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:48 am to goldennugget
I just see the religious right as people who base their morals off a book of parables written in the Middle East 2000 years ago that has evolved (words and translations being altered/omitted along the way) greatly. Many also believe that their thoughts are actively influenced by the Holy Ghost and that god will soon begin the rapture. They just in a higher being that has the principles and temperament of a moronic child/goat fricker from 2000 years ago who found it necessary to have his own son crucified so that people would worship him. This book they follow also includes stories of homicide, unicorns, and a guy giving his two virgin daughters up for rape to protect a stranger.....that guy is also the one who is found worthy not to be kill by god. And they base their life and principles on this. Pretty innocuous.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:41 am to goldennugget
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
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