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re: Once Gay Rights Are Fully Recognized...What Is The Next Civil Rights Frontier?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I have little doubt that in my lifetime there will be a sizable movement to remove the social taboo from people with sexual urges directed towards minors. The polygamy thing is a given IMO (and I;m fine with it).
The issue is, how long before people realize that the majority of folks in human history were perfectly ok with a 10 year old marrying a 40 year old? This idea that 18 is the legal age of consent is very limited and very arbitrary. These things will all be questioned, especially once we show that such urges are on some level biological.
Any other questions? WOW!
The second bold, we were past that point 3 years ago sir.
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:03 pm to darkhorse
Personally I hope the next civil rights frontier becomes internet privacy and equal access.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:15 pm to DeltaDoc
Nambla
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:15 pm to OMLandshark
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The problem is that orientation fricks up people for life.
See you are wrong to think that it will even play out that way. It won't! It will be played out the same way the homosexual movement was.
Your argument in that above was used then. It will be used again in this situation, however the answer will be the same. It's all due to the social stigma we have placed on it.
No kids would be harmed because we will help them "understand" it's ok. "Normal"
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The effects of pedophilia are undeniable.
So it was with "homosexuality". Look up the history of it.
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Pedophilia being legalized will never happen, despite the fact that people like you think that homosexuality is only one step above that.
Ok, bury your head in the sand then. B4U ACT isn't real. They are not in the field that determines what classification it gets.
Richard Kramer is not their Director of Operations. He did not speak at a conference in Baltimore. At that conference that NEVER took place, he never stated that:
Pedophilia (as an “orientation”) is “not a choice”.
Efforts to treat pedophilia are “similar to methods used on homosexuals 50 years ago, and similarly ineffective”
“Minor-Attracted Persons” “do not exhibit narcissism, psychosexual immaturity…psychopathology, neurosis or any personality disorder more than people attracted to adults”.
Dr Fred Berlin of Johns Hopkins DID NOT deliver the key note speech in which he stated "I want to completely support the goal of B4U-Act."
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:17 pm to darkhorse
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Pedophilia (as an “orientation”) is “not a choice”.
Well, it probably isn't. I do believe those creeps can't control the way they feel. Still leaves it at 0% chance it will ever be legal. You are insane.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:27 pm to The Eric
B4U-ACT Baltimore conference:
Pedophiles are “unfairly stigmatized and demonized” by society.
There was concern about “vice-laden diagnostic criteria” and “cultural baggage of wrongfulness.”
“We are not required to interfere with or inhibit our child’s sexuality.”
“Children are not inherently unable to consent” to sex with an adult.
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Pedophiles are “unfairly stigmatized and demonized” by society.
There was concern about “vice-laden diagnostic criteria” and “cultural baggage of wrongfulness.”
“We are not required to interfere with or inhibit our child’s sexuality.”
“Children are not inherently unable to consent” to sex with an adult.
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:28 pm to darkhorse
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WIthin 10 years you will see it change in parts of the world.
Noted.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Well, it probably isn't. I do believe those creeps can't control the way they feel.
Then they were born that way. Thus, you make the APA's case. That is their sexual orientation. SONDA now applies.
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Still leaves it at 0% chance it will ever be legal. You are insane.
If the APA in the DMS changes the classification, then call me crazy, but it becomes protected.
SONDA: The Sexual Orientation Non-Discrimination Act, typically known by its acronym "SONDA," prohibits discrimination on the basis of actual or perceived sexual orientation in employment, housing, public accommodations, education, credit, and the exercise of civil rights.
Most states have these acts.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 12:41 am
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:34 pm to DeltaDoc
Gingers.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Still leaves it at 0% chance it will ever be legal. You are insane.
Insane...zero chance?
Here's a bill for you to read. Educate yourself on the issue please.
In that bill, please tell me how many times it refers to the APA? It's not the government.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:00 am to darkhorse
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darkhorse
I'm just going to say that you are fricking insane if you think that pedophilia will ever be remotely acceptable to us, especially within 10 years. It doesn't matter what your political orientation is, we want pedophiles heads on a spike right now.
I will grant you that we may have a bit of a sympathetic view on those people who are sexually attracted to children that haven't acted on it, and we will try to give them some therapy to see if there is any way we can help them. But to the ones who do the act, we'll still want them to rot in jail for the rest of their lives.
Again, I know you think homosexuals are basically in the same league as pedophiles and murderers, so it's pointless arguing with someone like you.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 12:02 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:17 am to OMLandshark
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I'm just going to say that you are fricking insane if you think that pedophilia will ever be remotely acceptable to us, especially within 10 years.
You are reaching a lot with that statement. The question was what would the next "civil rights" movement be.
That is already happening. If you want to say it's not being pushed, step up and say it! To call me insane when I am giving you names and organizations that are already pushing for the APA to change it is just willful ignorance.
Politics has NOTHING and I mean ZERO to do with it being listed as a sexual orientation. AT ALL! Do you understand that? That is the job of the APA!
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I will grant you that we may have a bit of a sympathetic view on those people who are sexually attracted to children that haven't acted on it, and we will try to give them some therapy to see if there is any way we can help them.
1- NO you will NOT give them therapy. IT WILL BE ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO! Now Government get's involved. It's the bill I posted above.
2, here's more from the doctors who want this changed. straight from their site:
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How does it protect children to force teenagers and adults into hiding by demonizing and stigmatizing them for feelings they did not choose and they have not acted upon? One survey respondent wrote, “Parents will disown you, teachers will report you, friends will abandon you...people in my situation can't discuss this without serious risk of harassment.”
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Why is it so difficult to distinguish between feelings and behavior? Is it really true that making accurate information and compassionate services available will cause adolescents and adults who are attracted to children to act on their feelings? Is the only way to protect "normal" kids to condemn the "abnormal" ones and incarcerate the over one million American teenage boys and men who are attracted to children or young adolescents?
That's DOCTORS. Members of the APA. THE PEOPLE WHO SAYS WHAT IS AND IS NOT A SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
Not you, not me, not the government. THE APA!
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:37 am to darkhorse
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Ok, bury your head in the sand then. B4U ACT isn't real. They are not in the field that determines what classification it gets.
You understand even if pedophelia is classified as a mental disease or an orientation, pedophelia would still be illegal because children can't consent to sex.
Personality disorders are recognized, that doesn't mean you can go around stabbing someone if you are crazy.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:52 am to SammyTiger
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You understand even if pedophelia is classified as a mental disease or an orientation,
First, there is a huge difference between a mental disease and a sexual orientation. It's not the same.
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pedophelia would still be illegal because children can't consent to sex.
It will be challenged. You can't protect sexual orientation and exclude one. We both know that.
Let's go back to when the APA changed homosexuality from a mental disorder to a sexual orientation. That was in the early 70s? It took how long to move from there to where we are now?
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Personality disorders are recognized, that doesn't mean you can go around stabbing someone if you are crazy.
Not even close to being on the same level. We are talking about sexual orientation and it's protection under the law as a civil right.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:07 am to darkhorse
Doctors go before parliment.
From Harvard.
There is no push to make this into a sexual orientation at all!!!!
From Harvard.
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Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change.
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The understanding of pedophilia has evolved over time, so each successive edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) has defined this disorder in a slightly different way. The current edition, DSM-IV, categorizes pedophilia as a disorder only if the sexual fantasies or urges involve prepubescent children (defined as 13 or younger
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The draft version of DSM-V, now undergoing review, proposes several changes to the diagnosis of pedophilia. One is to expand the definition of this disorder to include hebephilia, an attraction to children who are going through puberty. The hybrid category, pedohebephilia, would consist of the pedophilic type (attracted to prepubescent children, generally younger than 11), the hebephilic type (attracted to pubescent children, usually ages 11 through 14)
There is no push to make this into a sexual orientation at all!!!!
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:16 am to darkhorse
Generally speaking, it is hypothesized in the scientific community that the biological urges that cause us to be gay, straight or bi are also responsible for attraction to children and adolescents. This will likely become a sound, scientifically understood principle in the next few decades.
Now, if you know anything about biology you understand that genetic traits and predispositions to being attracted to anything other than the opposite sex are not selected for and not propagated through natural selection. This means that, like many other "disorders", everyone with an overwhelming desire to have sex with people of the same sex or people currently unable to reproduce likely has neurological abnormality that leads to a biological process not selected for by nature. This abnormality is likely sensitive to exogenous stressors that determine who a person is ultimately attracted to. What then will people say when scientists begin saying that pedophiles are no different than homosexuals in that both attractions arise from some abnormal process? It will be a very awkward discussion.
This doesn't mean all pedophiles are genuinely attracted solely to children, some are just sick rapist fricks. But it is a question that will be brought up in the coming decades.
Now, if you know anything about biology you understand that genetic traits and predispositions to being attracted to anything other than the opposite sex are not selected for and not propagated through natural selection. This means that, like many other "disorders", everyone with an overwhelming desire to have sex with people of the same sex or people currently unable to reproduce likely has neurological abnormality that leads to a biological process not selected for by nature. This abnormality is likely sensitive to exogenous stressors that determine who a person is ultimately attracted to. What then will people say when scientists begin saying that pedophiles are no different than homosexuals in that both attractions arise from some abnormal process? It will be a very awkward discussion.
This doesn't mean all pedophiles are genuinely attracted solely to children, some are just sick rapist fricks. But it is a question that will be brought up in the coming decades.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 1:18 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:25 am to Roger Klarvin
and again you make my point.
Second, We are past that. It's already happening. You keep suggesting that they will find this in the future. They are saying it now!
What are people going to say?
I don't know, maybe they will then buy into the other side of the story being pushed. That is not all sexual relationships with a child is rape. They even have studies to "prove" that. Some state that they are very positive for both, the adult, and the child.
It is an abomination. It's sick, and I can not understand even the few here "half way" supporting it.
Second, We are past that. It's already happening. You keep suggesting that they will find this in the future. They are saying it now!
What are people going to say?
I don't know, maybe they will then buy into the other side of the story being pushed. That is not all sexual relationships with a child is rape. They even have studies to "prove" that. Some state that they are very positive for both, the adult, and the child.
It is an abomination. It's sick, and I can not understand even the few here "half way" supporting it.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 1:32 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:31 am to Roger Klarvin
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This doesn't mean all pedophiles are genuinely attracted solely to children, some are just sick rapist fricks
They are all sick rapist fricks.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:42 am to darkhorse
son you are eaten up with the gay
take a xanax
take a xanax
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:51 am to darkhorse
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It is an abomination. It's sick, and I can not understand even the few here "half way" supporting it.
But under that supposition, how is it any more "sick" than someone attracted to someone of the same sex, or animals, or anything else? It's a biological error.
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