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Does today's public make you question democracy?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:19 pm
I just see so many dumb people around and knowing they have an equal voice to select leadership as people with a functioning brain. It makes me cringe.
Seeing how easily swayed and impressionable the public is makes me (at times) wonder why things (though unconstitutional now) like basic literacy tests or poll taxes aren't seriously considered.
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Seeing how easily swayed and impressionable the public is makes me (at times) wonder why things (though unconstitutional now) like basic literacy tests or poll taxes aren't seriously considered.
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Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:19 pm to tiger1014
quote:I think the same thing.
Seeing how easily swayed and impressionable the public is makes me (at times) wonder why things (though unconstitutional now) like basic literacy tests or poll taxes aren't seriously considered.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:20 pm to tiger1014
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It confirms the flaws of democracy and why we were supposed to remain a republic.
It confirms the flaws of democracy and why we were supposed to remain a republic.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:23 pm to TerryDawg03
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It confirms the flaws of democracy and why we were supposed to remain a republic.
Most people don't realize we are not a democracy but are supposed to be a constitutional republic.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:30 pm to tiger1014
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literacy tests or poll taxes aren't seriously considered.
You can't be fricking serious.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:33 pm to tiger1014
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Seeing how easily swayed and impressionable the public is makes me (at times) wonder why things (though unconstitutional now) like basic literacy tests or poll taxes aren't seriously considered.
Cut more education.
Build more jails.
Smart is overrated.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:33 pm to tiger1014
There was a reason you had to be a land owner to vote when the country was founded.
That has been destroyed, predictably, by political correctness and the mindless masses.
That has been destroyed, predictably, by political correctness and the mindless masses.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:36 pm to UPT
What's wrong with making sure someone can read what they're voting on before they vote on it?
Or, alternatively, confirming that they're not of a mental condition (e.g. Illiterate) which should preclude them voting for the sake of the rest of us?
Or, alternatively, confirming that they're not of a mental condition (e.g. Illiterate) which should preclude them voting for the sake of the rest of us?
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:41 pm to tiger1014
Rather than worrying about the general public and democracy, I'm more worried about our republic with our representatives acting based on their own short-term best interests as opposed to the country's long-term best interests.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:45 pm to tiger1014
Democracy has always sucked, now we are just more aware of how terrible the general public is at making decisions for each other.
ETA: Electing representatives to make decisions is only slightly less terrible, and can be worse in some instances.
ETA: Electing representatives to make decisions is only slightly less terrible, and can be worse in some instances.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:46 pm to PenguinNinja
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There was a reason you had to be a land owner to vote when the country was founded
There was a reason the document that is the foundation of our government has instructions for changing it written in to it.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:57 pm to UGATiger26
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Rather than worrying about the general public and democracy, I'm more worried about our republic with our representatives acting based on their own short-term best interests as opposed to the country's long-term best interests.
Welcome to the era of Low-Information Voter dominance. It makes me wish uninhabited islands were more plentiful.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 2:00 pm to Bard
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Welcome to the era of Low-Information Voter dominance
Representatives making decisions based on short-term politcal expediency is not a new phenomenon, it is a reality of the institution. This will happen when they are given the ability to spend other folk's money, and especially so when many programs don't have to be paid by taxation, but by borrowing.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 2:04 pm to tiger1014
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I just see so many dumb people around and knowing they have an equal voice to select leadership as people with a functioning brain. It makes me cringe.
And the real tragedy is that these idiots are duped by unscrupulous politicians who rely on their stupidity and inability to care for themselves for job security.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 2:09 pm to UGATiger26
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our representatives acting based on their own short-term best interests
Which is the reason the Framers of the Constitution made members of the Senate appointees of the governors of the states. Each of them would have no short term or long term interests except for gubernatorial elections in their home state. The present membership of the Senate would be radically different if that was still the case today.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 2:15 pm to CITWTT
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The present membership of the Senate would be radically different if that was still the case today.
Indeed. Kind of redundant and detrimental to have 2 houses of representatives but no real Senate.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 2:18 pm to tiger1014
I think 200 years ago they realized 'the public' as did the monarchies and dictators.
And all wondered how long a democracy could last.
And all wondered how long a democracy could last.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 2:57 pm to tiger1014
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I just see so many dumb people around and knowing they have an equal voice to select leadership as people with a functioning brain.
This is one of the oldest topics in political theory. Plato wrote about it (no, I'm not kidding).
The problem is that if you don't secure the consent of the dumb they will flock to someone who will get them excited and smash things.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 2:58 pm to goatmilker
I've always personally criticized the electoral college. But damn. Those founders were on to something. They knew we couldn't be responsible for directly electing a national leader
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:21 pm to tiger1014
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Those founders were on to something
No shite.
You only had a collection of the most educated philosophical and political minds of the time spend four months debating and crafting the U.S. Constitution. And they spent years writing about it before that. I think they put a good deal of thought into it.
Guns are bad! Ban guns! The 2nd amendment was meant for muskets!
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