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re: Time to pay college football players
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:06 pm to bamafan425
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:06 pm to bamafan425
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:08 pm to RollTide1987
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Or how about this? Title IX is indeed an impediment to paying football players due to many of these colleges getting public funding. Why not have the NCAA remove the pay-for-play penalties from their rule books, basically completely throw the word "amateur" out of their lexicon, and then allow PRIVATE citizens to pay the salaries. You can't tell a private citizen what he can and can't do with his money, so who cares if no salary goes to a woman's soccer player?
Then you run into issues with taxes for the NCAA once the amateur status of the athletes is taken away. They wont be non profit anymore technically. Give it up, its not happening
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:08 pm to RollTide1987
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Okay...I'll play. Combined university research - that's every single school in the United States that conducts some form of research - is $1.5 billion a year. So in that vein, it is a multi-billion dollar industry. But if you can't see the difference between a researcher from Harvard and a college football player from Tennessee, then I don't know what to tell you.
Where'd you get that number? That is way off.
Michigan itself had $1.28 billion in 2011-2012 alone (LINK /).
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What's a college education now? How many 20-somethings who just graduated with a bachelors are actually finding any work out there? You can't work as an office clerk anymore without a college degree. I wanted to be a teacher. I graduated with two degrees and, after failing to find work, I joined the military making $200 more a month than someone just fresh out of high school.
A college education now is well over $100k for 4 years. What someone does with a free education is their business. You can get a job out of college, all my friends have.
If the athletes don't wanna get a free education for their football services, then don't go!
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:09 pm to RollTide1987
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Or how about this? Title IX is indeed an impediment to paying football players due to many of these colleges getting public funding. Why not have the NCAA remove the pay-for-play penalties from their rule books, basically completely throw the word "amateur" out of their lexicon, and then allow PRIVATE citizens to pay the salaries. You can't tell a private citizen what he can and can't do with his money, so who cares if no salary goes to a woman's soccer player?
The boosters, and not the university, are the ones paying the players anyway.
this would never work under the ncaa umbrella. This would be fine under a "minor league" type system... which is what I suggested.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:10 pm to LordSaintly
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Hey I just spent 6 years working on a PhD. You don't have to convince me.
Finishing up my first year getting my masters in science.
The major point I was trying to convey was against those people who think a school's only source of money is football.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:12 pm to RollTide1987
Tuition room/board books food is payment
And if Gregg Doyel is your spokesman you are bound to lose
And if Gregg Doyel is your spokesman you are bound to lose
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:12 pm to RollTide1987
It's not just the scholarship money they are getting
They are getting housing, food, free gym, free supplements, free gear, training and medical care, tutoring and more
Top of the line stuff too not average
They are getting housing, food, free gym, free supplements, free gear, training and medical care, tutoring and more
Top of the line stuff too not average
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:15 pm to RollTide1987
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You don't think university research is a billion dollar industry?
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No...I don't.
2012 at Ohio State:
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$934 million: Total research and development (R&D) expenditures
I'm sure its like that at other major universities.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:16 pm to ThePoo
It's basically 3+ years of top of the line training/living with infinite exposure.... for free.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:16 pm to ThePoo
Here's a idea. Give players these options
1. Keep it as it is, school takes care of expenses for school, rent, books, food and the little cash they get
Or they can be paid an none of that is included, pay your own way while you "work" for the ath dept
1. Keep it as it is, school takes care of expenses for school, rent, books, food and the little cash they get
Or they can be paid an none of that is included, pay your own way while you "work" for the ath dept
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:19 pm to More beer please
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Then you run into issues with taxes for the NCAA once the amateur status of the athletes is taken away. They wont be non profit anymore technically. Give it up, its not happening
Well...who says there has to be an NCAA? Let's face it. Only a handful of schools are responsible for the revenue being generated by college football. Membership in the NCAA is completely voluntary. These schools could remove their football programs from the umbrella of the NCAA, form their own league, and have the other sports remain in the NCAA. Make the football programs completely funded by private funding - whether that be donors, boosters, ESPN, TV contracts, etc. There goes Title IX and there goes the NCAA.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:20 pm to bamafan425
The only real argument in favor of paying athetes is that the machine has grown so big and time consuming, combined with educational cutbacks in many places, that only the smartest/most motivated of athletes can even have a "useful" major.
Spring used to be a relative off period for football players and the time when they realistically carry a heavy schedule and take labs. Not anymore.
A better fix IMHO would be going back to four year scholarships, with realistic conditions. The current year to year system is basically extortion.
Spring used to be a relative off period for football players and the time when they realistically carry a heavy schedule and take labs. Not anymore.
A better fix IMHO would be going back to four year scholarships, with realistic conditions. The current year to year system is basically extortion.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:20 pm to danfraz
The best and most fair way to do is through stipends. Every school provides the same amount for every player.
Any other option opens it up to boosters to get even crazier. I hate that people think the olympic model would work in College Football. No one is recruiting olympic athletes to specific countries.
Any other option opens it up to boosters to get even crazier. I hate that people think the olympic model would work in College Football. No one is recruiting olympic athletes to specific countries.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:20 pm to RollTide1987
No.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:20 pm to RollTide1987
Why don't they pay them some extra meal and spending money and take it away for their 2nd or 3rd failed drug test during the season or for getting arrested or something?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:21 pm to LordSaintly
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Well then I suggest they take advantage and get a degree in a good field. If they don't think it is worth the free education, then they should skip college and train for 3 years after high school. If they don't like waiting 3 years, take that up with the NFL, not the NCAA.
You're assuming that all college athletes are good enough to play in the NFL.
But if the vast majority of FBS players aren't going to be playing in the NFL because they aren't good enough, shouldn't they be grateful they are getting a free degree and at least a shot in life? I mean what else would they be doing if it weren't for football? For the big time famous players, you could argue that they "deserve" a piece of the pie(which they will eventually get in the NFL), but you can't just pay a handful of players on a team, you have to pay the whole team. In addition you can't just pay the football team, you have to pay every student athlete on campus. So I don't see any good way to make this happen.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:22 pm to RollTide1987
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Well...who says there has to be an NCAA? Let's face it. Only a handful of schools are responsible for the revenue being generated by college football. Membership in the NCAA is completely voluntary. These schools could remove their football programs from the umbrella of the NCAA, form their own league, and have the other sports remain in the NCAA. Make the football programs completely funded by private funding - whether that be donors, boosters, ESPN, TV contracts, etc. There goes Title IX and there goes the NCAA.
This is the first semi-intelligent post you've made in the thread.
Of course, you'd have to figure out why these institutions would decide to go this route. What would they get out of it that they don't have now?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:24 pm to Walking the Earth
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that only the smartest/most motivated of athletes can even have a "useful" major.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:24 pm to Walking the Earth
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The only real argument in favor of paying athetes is that the machine has grown so big and time consuming, combined with educational cutbacks in many places, that only the smartest/most motivated of athletes can even have a "useful" major.
The issue with this is that these players have the best tutors on campus and people that make sure they are attending classes.
Yes some guys may not receive tremendous majors, but guess what it is probably better than what would of happened if it wasn't for the athletic scholarship.
There are multiple athletes in recent years who have graduated with tremendous grades & majors while playing at a high level. Barrett Jones is one of the most decorated lineman in Alabama history and he also was exceptional in the classroom.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:24 pm to RollTide1987
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who says there has to be an NCAA?
Everyone...until there isnt
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These schools could remove their football programs from the umbrella of the NCAA, form their own league, and have the other sports remain in the NCAA.
Sure that could be plausible, but...
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ake the football programs completely funded by private funding
Only a handful of Universities in the entire country have privately funded athletic PROGRAMS. The state, supporters of ALL of the other sports, and the administrators themselves would never go for this. Not to mention the legal issues with making all of that happen since those same athletic programs cant pay players directly because of the amateur status that needs to be upheld. It goes way beyond these easy answers everyone gives because it is mainly about taxes and title IX.
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