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Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:43 pm to ell_13
Strangely enough, the 3 highest pitch counts in the entire NCAA this year were by pitchers of 3 diffferent teams all 3 pichers against Jackson State.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:44 pm to ell_13
So it's come to the bottom of the 9th in game 3 of the CWS Championship. Do you really want to be regulating who can enter a game based on pitch counts?
That's retarded.
That's retarded.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:44 pm to AstroTiger
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Strangely enough, the 3 highest pitch counts in the entire NCAA this year were by pitchers of 3 diffferent teams all 3 pichers against Jackson State.
They were probably other HBCUs, who are notoriously hard on pitchers arms, unless they have a guy that can make it to the next level.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:45 pm to AstroTiger
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150 live game pitches across 3 calendar days seems reasonably ridiculous (if that makes any sense).
This makes perfect sense. Might increase the number of pitches by a few if there is an off day between appearances, but not by a whole lot.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:46 pm to ell_13
Kyle Peterson is the best guy ESPN has for college baseball but he sounds foolish every time he brings this up.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:49 pm to The Boat
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Kyle Peterson is the best guy ESPN has for college baseball but he sounds foolish every time he brings this up.
I agree. There is no rule needed. Just better coaching. And that will improve when the money improves. The money will improve over time as TV ratings are going up and NCAA tourney $ numbers are up.
Look at what Alan Dunn has done at LSU. When the money gets better, you'll see more quality coaches being hired away from the minors.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:53 pm to ProjectP2294
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They were probably other HBCUs, who are notoriously hard on pitchers arms, unless they have a guy that can make it to the next level.
ding ding ding...
Alabama A&M - Josh Freeman 183
Rust (non-DI) - D Wright 164
Alcorn State - Harrison Gary 162
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:54 pm to ell_13
this would make the game crap just like the wbc
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:08 pm to ell_13
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Come the end of the season, they'll do whatever it to secure their paycheck, even at the expense of a player trying to make their own money off their arm.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:14 pm to AstroTiger
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so what is the primary limit? what is the appropriate time frame to wait if thrown over X # of pitches?
I would say something like if you pitch 115 pitches, the pitcher is unavailable to pitch more than 20 pitches for 4 days... Nothing severe, but something to make sure some coaches don't do dumb shite.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:17 pm to junkfunky
1993 CWS: Brooks Kieschnick. 169 pitches. Good ole Cliff Gustafson. I think that was in a losing effort. They went 1-2 in Omaha that year.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:19 pm to AstroTiger
I'm against it in any form.
First, let me say that Fox is an idiot for what he did. But honestly, 10 years ago, no one would have given it a second thought.
It's a bad idea for a few reasons. The first is that there is almost no number to put it at for it to be affective. Too high, and there's no point. Too low, and it handcuffs many lower level teams that have a limited supply of arms with none of them having a chance to get to the next level.
Second, it's almost impossible to attribute arm injuries to overuse in college where, for the first time, starters only throw once a week, relievers are rarely overworked, and coaches are much more aware of pitch counts. And once the post season comes around, you're left with the teams with the deepest staffs and the best trainers giving the best care before and after the games.
Finally, Almost every arm injury I've witnessed (including my own) has been a result of either two things: 1) lack of preparation in terms of off-season arm strengthening, properly warming up, or not doing the proper things after the game; 2) one pitch where something in the arms gives/tears as a result of mechanics or freak accident.
In the end, coaches and players have to be responsible. I agree that an irresponsible coach won't keep players or his job for long. And KP is an amazing analyst, but I completely disagree with him here.
ETA: nb4tl,dr
First, let me say that Fox is an idiot for what he did. But honestly, 10 years ago, no one would have given it a second thought.
It's a bad idea for a few reasons. The first is that there is almost no number to put it at for it to be affective. Too high, and there's no point. Too low, and it handcuffs many lower level teams that have a limited supply of arms with none of them having a chance to get to the next level.
Second, it's almost impossible to attribute arm injuries to overuse in college where, for the first time, starters only throw once a week, relievers are rarely overworked, and coaches are much more aware of pitch counts. And once the post season comes around, you're left with the teams with the deepest staffs and the best trainers giving the best care before and after the games.
Finally, Almost every arm injury I've witnessed (including my own) has been a result of either two things: 1) lack of preparation in terms of off-season arm strengthening, properly warming up, or not doing the proper things after the game; 2) one pitch where something in the arms gives/tears as a result of mechanics or freak accident.
In the end, coaches and players have to be responsible. I agree that an irresponsible coach won't keep players or his job for long. And KP is an amazing analyst, but I completely disagree with him here.
ETA: nb4tl,dr
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:33 pm to ell_13
How about mandatory pitch counts for high school pitchers? Should the LHSAA step in and keep some high schools from overusing some of their pitchers?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:36 pm to AstroTiger
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ding ding ding...
Alabama A&M - Josh Freeman 183
Rust (non-DI) - D Wright 164
Alcorn State - Harrison Gary 162
What's up with this BS? Is Jimmy The Greek speaking to those coaches from the grave?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:37 pm to ell_13
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I've been unfortunate enough to require Tommy John surgery forcing me to take a fifth year (csb), so I have a pretty strong opinion on the topic that I'll save for later in the thread.
So what say you?
I hate the idea of the NCAA implementing rules that would negatively affect the game. It's like government, once the rule is in play, there is no going back...despite any common sense or even evidence to the contrary. It would be very likely that it would go too far.
The truth is that not every player is the same, and not every player has as much to lose as another. And, the player needs to take on the responsibility of protecting himself. I do not accept that the NCAA needs to protect players from themselves.
Having said that, what Fox did was waaaay over the line. He needs to be held accountable. I don't think that every coach would do the same thing...even in the same circumstances.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:40 pm to tigersaint26
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How about mandatory pitch counts for high school pitchers? Should the LHSAA step in and keep some high schools from overusing some of their pitchers?
Completely different discussion. Probably better for the MSB though.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:44 pm to moneyg
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I hate the idea of the NCAA implementing rules that would negatively affect the game. It's like government, once the rule is in play, there is no going back...despite any common sense or even evidence to the contrary. It would be very likely that it would go too far. The truth is that not every player is the same, and not every player has as much to lose as another. And, the player needs to take on the responsibility of protecting himself. I do not accept that the NCAA needs to protect players from themselves.
I agree the NCAA would find a way to frick it up. But that's not necessarily an argument against the principle of it.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 3:48 pm to ell_13
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How about mandatory pitch counts for high school pitchers? Should the LHSAA step in and keep some high schools from overusing some of their pitchers?
I want to address it in the context of this discussion, anyway. My opinion is that it's a slippery slope. With the number of kids playing travel ball along with regular league ball from ages 8 and up now, the wear and tear on their arms is unbelievable. By the time many of these kids get to high school, much less college, damage is done. To toss a pitch limit on high school or college coaches you are, in a way, placing accountability for arm injuries on them. In reality, the overuse could have been going on for years before that "final straw" that causes the injury occurs. That being said, I bet the Astros are severely pissed at Fox.
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