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re: ASOIAF book readers only, Winds of Winter predictions
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:07 pm to Methuselah
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:07 pm to Methuselah
Theon has king's blood. Melissandre needs king's blood and may need it to revive Jon.
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Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:08 pm to MediTiger
I started listing a bunch of events I was expecting and it made realize two things. One, he won't possibly be able to put everything in the next book to warrant so much time in between. Two, the whole world of Ice and Fire is a complete cluster frick. I mean there is not one stable freaking area where anybody is hanging out enjoying themselves. GRRM is going to need at least two more books, and I seriously doubt he makes it through A Dream of Spring.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:10 pm to Mr. Wayne
supposedly HBO will take his notes if that happens and finish it on TV.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:18 pm to NIH
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supposedly HBO will take his notes if that happens and finish it on TV
But I think by that time the TV series will have diverged significantly from the books.
For instance, does Melissandre still need to kill (burn?) royalty to do her magic or does she just have to do the nasty with Stannis or some other royal person?
This post was edited on 5/23/12 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:19 pm to NIH
yeah, this dude wont finish this series and it sucks
hes an 80 year old 400 lb dude who writes... which mean no exercise.
Great writer, but he is also very slow
hes an 80 year old 400 lb dude who writes... which mean no exercise.
Great writer, but he is also very slow
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:19 pm to NIH
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supposedly HBO will take his notes if that happens and finish it on TV.
The series is really good. But it does not compare to the books, especially the second season. If he dies it would be a travesty. This series needs to be wrapped up by him by any means necessary.
This post was edited on 5/23/12 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:25 pm to NIH
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1. Stannis has some sort or trap laid out for the Boltons & Freys...the pink letter just doesn't make sense considering he put the potential Karstark threat away. I think he takes back Winterfell & Davos returns with Rickon and gives the north some stability just for a little bit until the Others overwhelm the wall and invade. The battle for winterfell will end up looking irrelevant by the end of the book.
Given the sample chapter from WOW I think it's a given he has some sort of trap to take out Bolton's forces. I'm not sure the north gets stability though, I can see the confusion following Jon's killing causing the wall to fall and allow the others through. The wildlings vastly outnumber the black crows now since Jon let them all through, I don't see Tormund and the rest just sitting idly by when Jon gets ganked. I think it gets very messy up there.
I see Stannis bringing Theon to the godswood to behead him in front of the northmen, and then Bran speaks through the heartstree and proves he and Rickon are alive and Theon didn't kill them. Then Stannis is able to ransom/pardon Theona nd Asha takes him back home to do another kingsmoot and try and unseat Euron, perhaps with their uncle the priests help.
I think Dany will have to defeat Aegon for sure, he is the mummer's dragon after all, and possibly she'll need to take out Stannis as well.
Jon will either get the kiss of life from Mel or warg into Ghost for a bit then get raised up, with the latter being more likely IMO.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:25 pm to The Eric
yeah, i think TWOW may be all we get. 
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:26 pm to The Eric
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hes an 80 year old 400 lb dude who writes... which mean no exercise.
He's in his early 60s.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:26 pm to Methuselah
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For instance, does Melissandre still need to kill (burn?) royalty to do her magic or does she just have to do the nasty with Stannis or some other royal person
Melisandre doe snot NEED royal blood to do majic. It does however make the majic mor3 powerful, just like being near the wall does.
The other Cleric that raised Un-Kat and Beric Dundarrion did not need royal blood to raise people.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:49 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Here's a way out there prediction:
In the ultimate "gotcha" development, Martin will paint the White Walkers as sympathetic good guys. Something like they were a peaceful, benevolent race trying to spread good will when they were fricked over by the evil children of the forest and first men. And since the victors "wrote" the history, they've been getting a bad rap ever since.
In the ultimate "gotcha" development, Martin will paint the White Walkers as sympathetic good guys. Something like they were a peaceful, benevolent race trying to spread good will when they were fricked over by the evil children of the forest and first men. And since the victors "wrote" the history, they've been getting a bad rap ever since.
This post was edited on 5/23/12 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:49 pm to auyushu
I'm thinking we see the destruction of the Night's Watch, the Wall will come down when the Horn of Joramun (which has always made me think of Jorah Mormont) is finally unearthed.
I was a big backer of the Kingsmoot angle, but the Iron Islands are basically empty. I doubt Euron agrees to go back, or let others go back, for a recount. I think Theon will be forgiven and will redeem himself by helping to win back Winterfell for Rickon, but die in the process.
Dany will face arrive in Westeros at the end of the book IMO.
Jon will run around as Ghost for the entire book and then be reborn in the end.
Arya will be sent back as a faceless man to kill someone. She will reunite with Nymeria forming the most bad arse assassin tandem in the history of the universe. Nymeria will remind her of who she is and she will become Arya Stark once again.
I am clueless with the Lannisters. I'm sure Tyrion will talk his way into Dany's good graces. Jamie will do something knightly. Cersei is a toss up. I can't see her losing her trial but I really feel like Sandor will be the faith's champion, and I want him to defeat undead Gregor.
I was a big backer of the Kingsmoot angle, but the Iron Islands are basically empty. I doubt Euron agrees to go back, or let others go back, for a recount. I think Theon will be forgiven and will redeem himself by helping to win back Winterfell for Rickon, but die in the process.
Dany will face arrive in Westeros at the end of the book IMO.
Jon will run around as Ghost for the entire book and then be reborn in the end.
Arya will be sent back as a faceless man to kill someone. She will reunite with Nymeria forming the most bad arse assassin tandem in the history of the universe. Nymeria will remind her of who she is and she will become Arya Stark once again.
I am clueless with the Lannisters. I'm sure Tyrion will talk his way into Dany's good graces. Jamie will do something knightly. Cersei is a toss up. I can't see her losing her trial but I really feel like Sandor will be the faith's champion, and I want him to defeat undead Gregor.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 4:50 pm to NIH
1. Stannis is totally setting a trap. Boltons will ride out into slaughter. Ramsay is playing games with the letter but he is done in the next book as he has outlived all usefulness.
2. Connington and Aegeon have been played for fools by Varys and Illyrio. Aegeon is a Blackfyre, straight up. Varys wants to make amends to Aerys II for setting him up and this was the best way. I feel bad because I like Connington but he is a puppet of the spider. Aegon dies midway through the book.Everyone is sad but then....
3. Jon Snow is kissed by Mel and brought back. Having given his life to the watch, he is free of his oath and he proceeds forward to Winterfell. On his way he runs into Brienne and is given Oathkeeper (red firey sword) and begins to set it all straight with a band of outlaws, maybe you've heard of them. At some point he goes to see the Crannogmen in order to go back to prepare Winterfell for the onslaught of the Others. Only the Lord of the Neck has a story he'd like to tell about three bad brothers (Kingsguard) you know so well it started way back in history at the Tower of Joy with Ser Arthur D.
4. Meereen begins to fall until a white haired gal with a rocking bod comes back at the head of 30,000 screaming Dothraki and one very pissed off dragon. They kill the invaders, take up the willing sell swords and with help of the Halfman finally tame these damn dragons. Then its off to Dorne to begin the conquest of the Seven Kingdoms.
5. Kings Landing takes a major hit from Dany and Cersei gives up the city in return for Tommen and Mrycella being allowed to leave with her and head to the Rock. Only Tyrion doesnt care for this and he attempts to stop it leading to, Jamie/Tyrion show down son! Maybe not physically but figuratively for sure.
THe greatest and best storylines will of course be Jon Snow and Tyrion. Which will lead up to why Tyrion will convince Dany to relinquish her reign to Jon Snow as the rightful heir and take up arms against the Others in the North, but that is a tale for another book.
2. Connington and Aegeon have been played for fools by Varys and Illyrio. Aegeon is a Blackfyre, straight up. Varys wants to make amends to Aerys II for setting him up and this was the best way. I feel bad because I like Connington but he is a puppet of the spider. Aegon dies midway through the book.Everyone is sad but then....
3. Jon Snow is kissed by Mel and brought back. Having given his life to the watch, he is free of his oath and he proceeds forward to Winterfell. On his way he runs into Brienne and is given Oathkeeper (red firey sword) and begins to set it all straight with a band of outlaws, maybe you've heard of them. At some point he goes to see the Crannogmen in order to go back to prepare Winterfell for the onslaught of the Others. Only the Lord of the Neck has a story he'd like to tell about three bad brothers (Kingsguard) you know so well it started way back in history at the Tower of Joy with Ser Arthur D.
4. Meereen begins to fall until a white haired gal with a rocking bod comes back at the head of 30,000 screaming Dothraki and one very pissed off dragon. They kill the invaders, take up the willing sell swords and with help of the Halfman finally tame these damn dragons. Then its off to Dorne to begin the conquest of the Seven Kingdoms.
5. Kings Landing takes a major hit from Dany and Cersei gives up the city in return for Tommen and Mrycella being allowed to leave with her and head to the Rock. Only Tyrion doesnt care for this and he attempts to stop it leading to, Jamie/Tyrion show down son! Maybe not physically but figuratively for sure.
THe greatest and best storylines will of course be Jon Snow and Tyrion. Which will lead up to why Tyrion will convince Dany to relinquish her reign to Jon Snow as the rightful heir and take up arms against the Others in the North, but that is a tale for another book.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:06 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Unless GRRM wastes an entire book on her trying to train the damn dragon
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then I'm like that is possible and would be horrible... The biggest mysteries to me is where LF story is going and how Arya plays getting back to Westeros. Viserys and LF are adversaries so eventually they will clash... maybe LF gets the Vale, Dorne, and Lannisters together against Dany and Aegon.
The Jon/ Stannis thing somehow comes together as Azor Ahai. I don't see how Jon warging into the wolf or something else and him keeping his identity as a Stark unless he is brought back to life through Milessandre as Jon.
It could be Arya who eventually takes out Viserys and LF in the end so that peace finally comes to Westeros...
I think its Barristan who confirms the young Aegon as the mummer. I don't see him as a "love" of Dany. But it could be that Barristan is killed before he unveils the fake Aegon which leads to a hook-up of Dany and Aegon and ultimately Aegon is the "love" betrayer.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:20 pm to Papercutninja
I really feel like we need a stickied "post aDwD" official thread, since we seem to have one of these "whats next" threads a week, plus some general discussion in the show episode threads.
My guesses for things that happen in the next two books.
As most of her "names" are already dead, Arya returns as an assassin and takes out the Frey household one by one, since the old man is not likely to leave the Twins and needs to die bad.
Dany finally arrives and comes to odds with Littlefinger - you don't have a freaking inpenetrable sky castle in a book with dragons and not set them at odds.
Fat Manderly and Stannis take care of the Boltons, restoring a lot more order to the North. Unsure of if Rickon or Robbs yet unknown child will take over the Winterfell leadership.
John is reborn by Mel, able to take wife and lands now that he has died for the Wall. Not exactly sure how he will find out, but I'm thinking a combination of Bran reveal (through tree history) and confirmation by Howland Reed, who is getting ready to whip the North into shape.
Speaking of - Howland Reed received several groups of guests (which probably number the surviving Tulleys and a pregnant Jeyne Westerling among the others that went to him right before the RW) and enters the world with news of Robb's heir - be it baby or whoever Robb named prior to the RW.
Lannisters have no real power any longer and lose kings landing fast. I do think there will be a large choice for Jamie at some point over his sister/children. Probably also involving his less than stellar sword play as well.
Dorne is upset at their wasted Princes' death and casts their lot with Aegon - who is definitely a blackfyre. This consolidates a strong southern base for them, provided they can handle the Tyrells, etc.
My guesses for things that happen in the next two books.
As most of her "names" are already dead, Arya returns as an assassin and takes out the Frey household one by one, since the old man is not likely to leave the Twins and needs to die bad.
Dany finally arrives and comes to odds with Littlefinger - you don't have a freaking inpenetrable sky castle in a book with dragons and not set them at odds.
Fat Manderly and Stannis take care of the Boltons, restoring a lot more order to the North. Unsure of if Rickon or Robbs yet unknown child will take over the Winterfell leadership.
John is reborn by Mel, able to take wife and lands now that he has died for the Wall. Not exactly sure how he will find out, but I'm thinking a combination of Bran reveal (through tree history) and confirmation by Howland Reed, who is getting ready to whip the North into shape.
Speaking of - Howland Reed received several groups of guests (which probably number the surviving Tulleys and a pregnant Jeyne Westerling among the others that went to him right before the RW) and enters the world with news of Robb's heir - be it baby or whoever Robb named prior to the RW.
Lannisters have no real power any longer and lose kings landing fast. I do think there will be a large choice for Jamie at some point over his sister/children. Probably also involving his less than stellar sword play as well.
Dorne is upset at their wasted Princes' death and casts their lot with Aegon - who is definitely a blackfyre. This consolidates a strong southern base for them, provided they can handle the Tyrells, etc.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:31 pm to NIH
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I think there was something huge in those tapestries LF wanted from King's Landing
I'm thinking its the sword Dark Sister. It was never found after Bloodraven was sent to the wall, right? Why include it in the story if its not gonna show up>
Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:31 pm to Papercutninja
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Papercutninja
Member since Feb 2010
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Post more. Good stuff.
This post was edited on 5/23/12 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:35 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Cersei will become more out of control, and Jamie will kill her, becoming the King/Queenslayer. The prophet said her younger brother will kill her, and I believe she only has one.
Tyrion appears to be half-Targ.
Tyrion appears to be half-Targ.
This post was edited on 5/23/12 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 5/23/12 at 5:37 pm to lsufan251875
And I find a partner in my lunacy.
There are just too many hints to have been accidents. Maybe a clever little trick by Martin though.
There are just too many hints to have been accidents. Maybe a clever little trick by Martin though.
This post was edited on 5/23/12 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 5/23/12 at 6:18 pm to shinerfan
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And I find a partner in my lunacy.
There are just too many hints to have been accidents. Maybe a clever little trick by Martin though.
It's unlikely just due to the timelines that would be involved, but not completely in the realm of lunacy given all the hints.
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