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re: One thing Questioning our Offense....The toss up the middle
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:01 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:01 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
One worry I have is when our qb turns around as a shield to stop the man coming from the end...they could get blown up by the DE or CB that is coming down the line. Free shot on the qb
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Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:02 pm to Topwater Trout
I believe it isn't necessarily "up the middle." It's zone blocking - which means that they toss the ball and the RB can be patient and see which gap is open.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:03 pm to Jester
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The reason why we probably run it at a quicker tempo is that it doesn't give the DL time to set up stunts and such. You lock them into their positions and beat them where they stand
I definitely agree with that and I don't have a problem with the play nor with running it up tempo...just that it seems, to me anyway, that it's the only play we run when we go up tempo. But like I said, maybe they are just setting up something else off of it or out of the same formation in the up tempo offense.
I'm pretty sure we ran this play with Faulk back in the day.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:07 pm to MOT
It seems like this started with Ridley. I can't really remember specific plays with Faulk.
I only remember Faulk running wild against Houston and winning the game pretty much by himself.
I only remember Faulk running wild against Houston and winning the game pretty much by himself.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:12 pm to ItsThatDude12
This play got Ridley a lot of yards last year. I hated the play at first, but it works because deception. The pitch gives a sweep or outside run look. U know another wrinkle to this play is coming.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:15 pm to filmmaker45
It takes away the play action pass, but like 56 people have said, gets to Rb about a yard further in the backfield. When we do our first flea-flicker off the toss-dive, I'm going to flip my shite.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:16 pm to bojabu
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It takes away the play action pass
No it doesn't.
The toss fake rollout is deadly.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:17 pm to MOT
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I'm pretty sure we ran this play with Faulk back in the day.
I seem to recall Herb running a quick play action pass off this. fake the toss then whip around real quick.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:25 pm to ATLTiger
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I seem to recall Herb running a quick play action pass off this. fake the toss then whip around real quick.
Fake toss to the left, safeties bite, continue around to a qb roll out to the right, seam or sideline route is open deep.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:27 pm to ItsThatDude12
never liked this play either
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:28 pm to wilceaux
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It would actually be interesting if someone did an analysis of the yards/play average by play call
you gotta be shittin' me. by "someone", it would surely have to be a staff member because who else actually sees every play and has the ability to chart them. AND, what do you end up with? let's say the handoff yields .7 yds more per carry than the toss; do you then abandon the toss? there is no way to ACCURATELY INTERPRET that kind of data. the opponent, the running back, the make-up of the OL, the down and distance, etc. there are so many variables that completely trump the raw statistical analysis and could indeed have the opposite effect than desired. in short, making decisions on statistics alone can result in incorrect conclusions and therefore actually HURT the final outcome. same thing in the business world. that's why statisticians are utilized in a staff capacity instead of a line capacity.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:32 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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No it doesn't. The toss fake rollout is deadly
Link?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:32 pm to bojabu
quote:CLM is saving it for somebody who'll really appreciate it.
When we do our first flea-flicker off the toss-dive, I'm going to flip my shite.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:46 pm to Mayhawman
I personally hate the "Tive".
All the B.S. about getting it to your back quicker is garbage. The back has to take his eyes off the hole to catch the pitch...whereas on a normal handoff (like every other football does) the QB brings it to the back deep and he can focus on the hole.
The only thing I can possibly think of is its a ball handling issue. Since it seems to be a short yardage play...it allows the back the opportunity to secure the ball while using his momentum to move the pile and picking up a few yards. Any extra is lagniappe.
Is it possible we can get someone to ask CLM the advantages of the "tive" at his radio show? I honestly want to know the philosophy behind the play.
All the B.S. about getting it to your back quicker is garbage. The back has to take his eyes off the hole to catch the pitch...whereas on a normal handoff (like every other football does) the QB brings it to the back deep and he can focus on the hole.
The only thing I can possibly think of is its a ball handling issue. Since it seems to be a short yardage play...it allows the back the opportunity to secure the ball while using his momentum to move the pile and picking up a few yards. Any extra is lagniappe.
Is it possible we can get someone to ask CLM the advantages of the "tive" at his radio show? I honestly want to know the philosophy behind the play.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:12 pm to LSUPHILLY72
quote:Probably just a little wrinkle to keep the ends from crashing since most tosses go wide. Could be a setup for a jet if DE starts crashing the dive.
The back has to take his eyes off the hole to catch the pitch...whereas on a normal handoff (like every other football does) the QB brings it to the back deep and he can focus on the hole.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:30 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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All the B.S. about getting it to your back quicker is garbage. The back has to take his eyes off the hole to catch the pitch
Okay, he takes his eyes off the ball, catches pitch and is still a yard deeper than a hand off.
All Toss Dive Theory aside, if we gain yardage on it, run it. How hard is that to understand?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:30 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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Is it possible we can get someone to ask CLM the advantages of the "tive" at his radio show?
I personally think you should do it, considering you will be there with your infinite wisdom to explain to him why it doesn't work yet still gains yardage.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:43 pm to USLttarP
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RB gets the ball quicker and has longer to make the decision on which hole to hit and they can hit it harder. Not that hard to figure out really.
Ding..Ding..We have a winner....
Posted on 9/12/11 at 6:00 pm to dgnx6
Mettenberg is too tall to run this pitch! He nearly tossed it over gores head!!!
Posted on 9/12/11 at 6:05 pm to Tiger Ryno
Hopefully, we will pitch it to Ware and he will hit a wide open TE or WR in the endzone when we are in a redzone situation.
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