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Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:41 pm to tjohn deaux
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the O-line has to revert to a zone blocking scheme, so the hole is not set in stone.
This. And it allows the back to choose a "cutback" lane or bounce it outside.
Again, this play was money for the Denver Broncos with Terrell Davis.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:43 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I'm sure John Elway didn't have anything to do with the broncos success it had to be the toss up the middle to Terrell Davis 
Once again, i've satisfied with the results. I was just saying that the toss or handoff would produce similar if not the same results.
Once again, i've satisfied with the results. I was just saying that the toss or handoff would produce similar if not the same results.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:47 pm to ItsThatDude12
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They ran the tive two times back to back vs. Oregon for sure late in the 2nd half for about 6 yards total (estimate)
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And its coming 2 or 3 times consecutively
So, basically, it was run back-to-back one time? That post implied that it is a habit to just keep running that play over and over. So, the worst that happened was running it twice and setting us up for a manageable 3rd-and-4.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:48 pm to ItsThatDude12
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Playaction is the word your looking for.
I know it's play action, but it is faster. Catches the DEF off guard. Lee doesn't have to run back and meet the RB for the fake. It's just fake toss, popup, and throw.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:50 pm to ItsThatDude12
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I'm sure John Elway didn't have anything to do with the broncos success it had to be the toss up the middle to Terrell Davis
Once again, i've satisfied with the results. I was just saying that the toss or handoff would produce similar if not the same results.
Considering all of those rings Elway had before Shanahan brought the zone attack to Denver....
So, you're satisfied with the results of the play, but continue to bitch about (your words) the play that produces the results.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:50 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
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I dont understand how our fan base can consistently be this stupid. It gets the ball in his hand quickly.... which gives him a chance to pick a running lane that doesnt have a LB waiting on him. We are running the ball down teams throats!!...what are you bitching about. ITS A GREAT PLAY!. Have you seen some of the cut backs out RB have made in the back field????.... Its because they got the ball quickly and were able to look up and see the defenders.
why has nobody else in the history of football before or after us used this???????????????????????????
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:52 pm to Jester
Bitching was kind of toungue in cheeks breaux.
So your saying Denver could of won 3 rings with the toss up the middle and not the play of maybe the greatest QB of all time John Elway?
Tell me thats what you mean?
Cause WTF has shannahan done since elway has left?
So your saying Denver could of won 3 rings with the toss up the middle and not the play of maybe the greatest QB of all time John Elway?
Tell me thats what you mean?
Cause WTF has shannahan done since elway has left?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:53 pm to dlambe5
I understand what you were saying and that could very well work.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:53 pm to Maximus
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why has nobody else in the history of football before or after us used this???????????????????????????
cuz you can't duplicate plays from Les' secret playbook
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:54 pm to Jester
I didn't read the whole thread, but last year it was basically the only play we could execute consistently. It has been effective again so far this year.
My only complaint is it seems to be the only play we run when we try to go up tempo (last year and this year), but hopefully they're just setting something up. And by up tempo I don't mean in 2 minute, no huddle situations.
My only complaint is it seems to be the only play we run when we try to go up tempo (last year and this year), but hopefully they're just setting something up. And by up tempo I don't mean in 2 minute, no huddle situations.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:55 pm to ItsThatDude12
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So your saying Denver could of won 3 rings with the toss up the middle and not the play of maybe the greatest QB of all time John Elway?
I'm not saying that at all, but to imply that the zone rushing scheme that Shanahan brought to Denver didn't help Elway win those two rings is idiotic at best.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:56 pm to MOT
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My only complaint is it seems to be the only play we run when we try to go up tempo (last year and this year), but hopefully they're just setting something up. And by up tempo I don't mean in 2 minute, no huddle situations.
The reason why we probably run it at a quicker tempo is that it doesn't give the DL time to set up stunts and such. You lock them into their positions and beat them where they stand.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:57 pm to Maximus
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why has nobody else in the history of football before or after us used this???????????????????????????
Others have, actually. You were just too busy watching Teen Mom.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:57 pm to ItsThatDude12
The toss "works if you work it"...
Gets the ball to the RB quicker and allows him to more time to get a read on the seam. Perfect for 3rd and short and the hurry up.
Gets the ball to the RB quicker and allows him to more time to get a read on the seam. Perfect for 3rd and short and the hurry up.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:58 pm to MOT
I believe Ridley was a perfect back for this play in that he had speed, quickness, and brought the house when he found the lane
ETA: It won't work with just any back
ETA: It won't work with just any back
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:58 pm to Jester
Mike Shannahan is a good coach and does wonders with runningbacks, and he did turn terrell davis into a hall of famer.
The success of his coaching career belongs much to John Elway. He should have named his son Kyle, John Elway Shannahan.
I would love if this play worked all year, we shall see.
The success of his coaching career belongs much to John Elway. He should have named his son Kyle, John Elway Shannahan.
I would love if this play worked all year, we shall see.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 2:59 pm to ItsThatDude12
The only problem I have with this play is that there's no doubt the RB is getting the ball. The minute a defender sees the QB pitch, they all run towards the line. At least with the handoff, there is play action to be concerned about on defense. With this pitch play, there is no guessing by the defense who is getting the ball after its snapped.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:00 pm to Jester
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Others have, actually. You were just too busy watching Teen Mom
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:00 pm to ItsThatDude12
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Mike Shannahan is a good coach and does wonders with offensive line blocking schemes.,
FIFY
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