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re: Les Miles on Elliot Porter today...
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:33 pm to AlxTgr
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:33 pm to AlxTgr
it's true
LSU induced porter to sign his LOI under fraudulent circumstances (they never brought up the greyshirt issue, and therefore it was not an option) and then they tried to change their agreement right before LSU was expected to perform (a day before practice started)
in the real world, that's a lawsuit
LSU induced porter to sign his LOI under fraudulent circumstances (they never brought up the greyshirt issue, and therefore it was not an option) and then they tried to change their agreement right before LSU was expected to perform (a day before practice started)
in the real world, that's a lawsuit
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:35 pm to moneyg
quote:I feel terrible for the kid b/c Miles' incompetence as a communicator resulted in him getting blindsided by something that could have been so easily avoided.
You sure are taking this hard
quote:another person that needs it spelled out. sigh...
Ferguson, Wing, and Gore all qualified in the last week or so. If any one of those does not occur, he doesn't have to go to Porter for the grayshirt. It's very possible that they did not expect this until very recently.
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This post was edited on 8/4/10 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
LSU induced porter to sign his LOI under fraudulent circumstances (they never brought up the greyshirt issue, and therefore it was not an option) and then they tried to change their agreement right before LSU was expected to perform (a day before practice started)
in the real world, that's a lawsuit
Sign him up. I wouldn't loan him any money if I were you.
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:38 pm to JJ27
quote:
So Les found out Monday that everyone qualified? Other schools might do this, but they don't tell a kid that's been working with the team all summer THE DAY BEFORE PRACTICE STARTS that he doesn't have a spot. Les supporters have always stood by him for being a standup guy. Well there goes the ONE thing he had going for him because this is a straight up douche move.
As an alumnus this really pisses me off regardless if other programs do this. I will continue to support Les miles for now, but this was just an embarrassing move IMO.
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:39 pm to Books
quote:
another person that needs it spelled out. sigh...
Your hatred of Miles has you not thinking reasonably on the subject.
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:39 pm to AlxTgr
are you arguing he wasn't fraudulently induced into signing his LOI or that miles attempted to change the terms of their contract for 2009-2010?
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:41 pm to moneyg
I don't know what it is that's causing your trouble, denial?
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yup, and since I'd get paid by hour, I wish you the best of luck.
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
are you arguing he wasn't fraudulently induced into signing his LOI or that miles attempted to change the terms of their contract for 2009-2010?
Are you saying the LOI prevents a party from backing out of the scholarship agreement prior to the school year?
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
are you arguing he wasn't fraudulently induced into signing his LOI or that miles attempted to change the terms of their contract for 2009-2010?
I get that your being somewhat silly bout a lawsuit, but the problem is these LOI's which are binding only on the students and not the schools.
In seriousness, something should be done to fix the LOI IMO
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:43 pm to Books
quote:
I don't know what it is that's causing your trouble, denial?
i don't get it. it is simple
1. before NSD, miles never brought up a greyshirt possibility. if LSU had intended porter as a greyshirt possibility, then they are bound to make this 100% clear to porter before he agrees. otherwise LSU is fraudulently inducing him to make this agreement.
2. porter signed with LSU on NSD, binding him to LSU for 1 year
3. a month before practice, LSU pulls his scholarship offer (while he is bound to LSU) for 2009-2010
it is CLEARLY a breach of contract by LSU
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:44 pm to moneyg
quote:
Are you saying the LOI prevents a party from backing out of the scholarship agreement prior to the school year?
if a player signs a LOI and tries to back out, he loses 2 years of eligibility (on a 1-year contract) in some cases
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
a month before practice, LSU pulls his scholarship offer
Ooops...fail.
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:46 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
Ooops...fail.
is porter still on scholarship for 2009-2010?
does he gain all the benefits of an athletic scholarship? if not, then his scholarship was pulled
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:49 pm to Books
quote:
I don't know what it is that's causing your trouble, denial?
Denial of what? It was a bad situation. Do you think it was done intentionally?
Like I said, they staff is pushing the envelope, and they thought that doing so was worth calculated risk. It's exactly what I'd want my coach to do.
Saban oversigned 2 years ago to a great extent and cut many people on the existing team. Kenny Bell reportedly didn't know if he had a scholarship until well after signing day the year he signed.
You don't care about Porter. You simply are excited to have something to bitch about Miles about.
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:51 pm to moneyg
quote:
Saban oversigned 2 years ago to a great extent and cut many people on the existing team. Kenny Bell reportedly didn't know if he had a scholarship until well after signing day the year he signed.
He told them before August 2nd.
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
if a player signs a LOI and tries to back out, he loses 2 years of eligibility (on a 1-year contract) in some cases
So, now you are mixing the legal ramifications with NCAA rules?
Are you making a legal argument or simply a logical one?
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
does he gain all the benefits of an athletic scholarship?
Yes.
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
Whether Miles spelled it out or not, the possibility of a greyshirt is/was always there. I'm sure there's a lot of fine print that neither you nor me know about when it comes to a Letter of Intent. When you sign on the dotted line, you very likely might be agreeing that you realize the possibility of the team releasing you at any moment. Just speculation, but I would have to think terms like this are in black and white on the document. Therefore, you'd have no case for a lawsuit.
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