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re: Les Miles on Elliot Porter today...

Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:54 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:54 pm to
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Do you think it was done intentionally?

it was done out of stupidity. a recurring theme under les

this situation could have been easily avoided with some intelligence, planning, and forethought
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:54 pm to
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So, now you are mixing the legal ramifications with NCAA rules?

they go hand in hand

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Are you making a legal argument or simply a logical one?

both
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:55 pm to
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Yes.

so right now he has the benefits of LSU paying for his tuition, his room/board, his meal plan, his tutoring, his coaching, his medical care, his training, etc?
Posted by NastyTiger
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:55 pm to
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1. before NSD, miles never brought up a greyshirt possibility.


I love how you all know this for FACT. Gotta love the insiders on this site.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:56 pm to
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When you sign on the dotted line, you very likely might be agreeing that you realize the possibility of the team releasing you at any moment.

scholarships are 1-year contracts. there isn't this fine print or schools would get in serious trouble

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but I would have to think terms like this are in black and white on the document.

they're not, which is why porter was so shocked
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:56 pm to
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I love how you all know this for FACT.

porter has said so and nobody is disputing it
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:56 pm to
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they go hand in hand


Not really. As of this minute, have you ever read an NCAA LOI?
Posted by tigerguy121
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:57 pm to
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1. before NSD, miles never brought up a greyshirt possibility.


I love how you all know this for FACT. Gotta love the insiders on this site


porter said that, so unless you have a better source..
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:57 pm to
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so right now he has the benefits of LSU paying for his tuition, his room/board, his meal plan, his tutoring, his coaching, his medical care, his training, etc?
That was not part of the question. "Right now?" Again, stop playing dumb. This is a greyshirt discussion.
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:58 pm to
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scholarships are 1-year contracts. there isn't this fine print or schools would get in serious trouble


Are you suggesting that the LOI is the same entity as a scholarship contract?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:59 pm to
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"Right now?"

he signed with LSU for the 2010-2011 season

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This is a greyshirt discussion.

no it is a discussion on a scholarship player who had his scholarship offer withdrawn a month before the season started
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:59 pm to
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Are you suggesting that the LOI is the same entity as a scholarship contract?

no a LOI binds the player to a school. it's a formal contract

porter signed his contract after being told he'd have a scholarship for the 2010-2011 season
Posted by tigerguy121
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 6:00 pm to
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That was not part of the question. "Right now?" Again, stop playing dumb. This is a greyshirt discussion.


It's a greyshirt discussion because of what Les and staff did.

Porter was not some fringe player he could have gone elsewhere.

When comparing LSU vs other schools you don't think starting in August at Florida St. or Neb. isn't a benefit/advantage when compared to starting at LSU in Jan??
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 6:02 pm to
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no it is a discussion on a scholarship player who had his scholarship offer withdrawn a month before the season started
Well, except for the fact that it wasn't.
This post was edited on 8/4/10 at 6:03 pm
Posted by tigerguy121
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 6:04 pm to
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Well, except for the fact that it wasn't.



do you agree that he had his scholarship offer for the 2010-11 season pulled?
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 6:05 pm to
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do you agree that he had his scholarship offer for the 2010-11 season pulled?
I can't go with "pulled". I can go with moved.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 6:08 pm to
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I can't go with "pulled". I can go with moved.


you can't move it

a scholarship for the 2010-2011 season exists once in reality

porter had this scholarship promised to him until monday

now LSU says he doesn't have this scholarship
Posted by tigerguy121
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 6:08 pm to
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I can't go with "pulled". I can go with moved.



ALL scholarships are renewed every year, FACT. He has no scholarship for 2010-2011. He may get another offer for 2011-2012, but that 2010 is gone, pulled, not moved
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 6:10 pm to
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porter has said so and nobody is disputing it


Porter himself has given reason to question this. He said that previously he told Miles that if he was forced to take a grey shirt he would quit. This indicates that it was discussed. What was actually said and or perceived to be said is all speculation at this point.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 6:11 pm to
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ALL scholarships are renewed every year, FACT. He has no scholarship for 2010-2011. He may get another offer for 2011-2012, but that 2010 is gone, pulled, not moved
That's just not how it works. Sorry. I know it fits SFP's agenda. The FACT is, LSU will start paying his way in January if he shows up. Do you guys really not know what pulled means?
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