re: Pat Forde's Les Miles reference

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Miles let 17 (that's 17) seconds run off the clock b4 calling TO

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Mack let 30 go and DIDN'T call a TO

how is that better

Mack Brown had a Miles Moment. I would say this one was on par with Les' poor judgement against Auburn in '07.

In both situations, the teams were in position to win the game with a FG, but inexplicably let way too much time run off the clock. Both teams ultimately won the game, but the judgement of both coaches was rightly called into question.

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It could be debated that Mack Brown's time management on that play was worse than Miles'...

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Agreed. And if Miles had been granted the same courtesy that Brown was afforded by reviewing the play and clock, LSU would have been given another second, would have clocked the ball, kicked the fg and won the game....just like Texas. Oh, the humanity.

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And if Miles had been granted the same courtesy that Brown was afforded by reviewing the play and clock, LSU would have been given another second, would have clocked the ball, kicked the fg and won the game.

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This is just not accurate. The clock started when the ball was set for play. Hell, we were so confused we didn't even get the snap off. If you watch the replay, we took so long to get the ball snapped the clock expires before JJ spikes it. SAD, SAD, SAD. For 4 million dollars a year, this is unacceptable. Hell, for 40 grand a year, this should be unacceptable.

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Brown made one.

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I could easily argue that one call was infinitely worse than Miles' 4 combined. The national championship was on the line here and Brown essentially blew it.

Trust me, I'm not defending Miles here...he still f-ed up in the game but Brown trumps him here, IMO.

Honestly, if I had to name Les Miles' closest coaching comp, it would be Mack Brown: great recruiter, overall nice guy, not considered a "fiery" sideline guy, poor game manager, comfortable with delegation and deflecting credit to others, constantly criticized by his school's fans for not winning enough despite winning more than most.

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Its embarassing

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1st and 10 at the OM 32 yard line with 1:06 left...

I am genuinely trying to get over it, but its too damn embarrasing. on top of that I have to live with all these OM pricks over here too...

TX - the ball went out of bounds, the clock is supposed to stop as soon as it hits the ground or someone. Its reviewable because there is no judgement call. It's just, when did the ball hit the ground.

LSU - the ball was still in play and the clock doesn't stop until the ref waves his hands signalling a first down. This is a judgment call by the ref on the field. He had to verify it was caught and who had it before he waves his hands. It's not automatic that the clock is supposed to stop the exact moment Tolliver hits the ground. And if you remember correctly the defender had his hands on the ball and actually ran away from the pile with the ball. Its not reviewable. Its a judgment call. Who has the ball, is he inbounds, etc. Did he take too long? Yeah. But its really a moot point being that Miles let 17 seconds go by before calling timeout earlier.

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Both were stupid, but no way Mack was worse.

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Actually Brown's was much MUCH worse.

Brown had a TO left and came close to losing a shot at the NC because of it.

The last second fiasco with Miles was the result of prior poor decisions, but the actions as the time ran out were not nearly as bad. All planning had gone into getting the ball into the end zone on the prior play - the fact there was a second left was a fluke.

Any time spent 'planning' on such a fluke actually happening would be more stupid than what actually happened.

as in=> "Ok here is our LAST PLAY - but first we gotta figure out what we will do if by some chance we get ANOTHER snap" = dumb.

It did look bad, but them's the breaks. The poor clock management at the 20 second mark is the bad one.