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If you drive: a charge of $1,350 per month for 20 years on every new single-family home.

Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:39 am
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
7385 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:39 am
Only in california...
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"They snuck it into the bill that was supposed to SOLVE their housing crisis!"

"Vehicle Miles Travelled, and it's yet another sneaky, stealthy way that the Democrats in charge of California want to gouge you for the crime of driving your car."

"They're trying to punish single-family homes. They want to stop single-family homes from being built, and so they're going to put this charge on it, VMT, because if you build a new home, people are going to drive to their new home. That's vehicle miles travelled."

"They are trying to sneak in a charge, wait for it, of $1,350 per month for 20 years on every new single-family home. And this is in the bill, AB130, that Gavin Newsom said would solve the housing crisis. They don't want to solve the housing crisis."

California needs to wake up and vote red for once
Posted by uggabugga
Maryland
Member since Aug 2024
4158 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:43 am to
Would be so delicious if Hilton won the governor slot.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
131144 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:44 am to
Doesnt matter. They will vote D even harder at midterms
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65256 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:44 am to
Vote Democrat, get Democrats.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27875 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:50 am to
No doubt they're creating more taxes. But 1.3k a month sounds exaggerated, dude even said according to some estimates.

Would have loved to see the bill details and the math of these "some estimates."

Still, no doubt cali is retarded and always trying to expand gov powers and taxes.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
10296 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:51 am to
I cannot tell you how many new developments are going up around Fresno. They’re everywhere.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103664 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:52 am to
quote:

No doubt they're creating more taxes. But 1.3k a month sounds exaggerated, dude even said according to some estimates.


How often is an estimate on a tax too low?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
131144 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:52 am to
quote:

I cannot tell you how many new developments are going up around Fresno. They’re everywhere.


All Hispanic
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
7385 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:52 am to
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Vote Democrat, get Democrats.


Vote rigging got them elected.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27875 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:56 am to
quote:

How often is an estimate on a tax too low?


I don't know. What percent of tax estimates are too low?
Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
Member since Sep 2016
6375 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:18 am to
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(Ballot) Vote rigging got them elected.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30271 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

No doubt they're creating more taxes. But 1.3k a month sounds exaggerated, dude even said according to some estimates.


It is a complete pulled from arse number. Even the basic methodology is not due until July 1.

I read the bill from a legal subscription site but it is available elsewhere for free I am sure.

The relevant section is SEC. 58. Section 21080.44
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108880 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:36 pm to
They have to pay for their failed policies somehow.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42112 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:40 pm to
This is how they're making up for the loss in gas taxes from people buying electric cars. I don't know why they would attach this to housing though.
Posted by prouddawg
Member since Sep 2024
8859 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Would be so delicious if Hilton won the governor slot.


In-person only voting + legit proof of citizenship, and he would win.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44411 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:52 pm to
Govern me harder daddy.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30271 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:52 pm to
Digging into it a little deeper the process is much more complex than presented.


First, you have the The California Transit-Oriented Development (TOD) Housing Program which is is funded by the Transit-Oriented Development Implementation Fund. This fund derives its revenue currently from bond initiatives. The TOD gives low-interest loans to affordable housing that is built close to transit terminals. It also gives grants for infrastructure improvements in those areas. The plan is to set up VMT (vehicle miles travelled) banks that let developers of any housing (not just single-family detached) buy credits (reminiscent of a land bank in LA for wetland mitigation) if their project significantly impacts traffic congestion. They do that in lieu of directly paying for a portion of the improvements.

To put it in BR terms if you owned a parcel on Highland off the west side of I-10 and wanted to develop a neighborhood or build apartments/condos your traffic impact would be considered. Given the bad congestion, lack of walkability, and not being close to any public transportation, you would be accessed an amount to help mitigate. You could buy credits in the VMT bank that would then be used as part of the funding for housing that actively reduces VMT. This is something paid by the developer not individuals but it would clearly be included in the cost of purchase or rent.

While the implementation might well go wonky, the idea of incentivising housing that lowers congestion and disincentivising housing that increases congestion makes a lot of sense in places like LA. If you've ever spent time on the 405 it seems like a really good idea.

Posted by TigerV
Member since Feb 2007
2921 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:05 pm to
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I read the bill from a legal subscription site but it is available elsewhere for free I am sure.


The post the formula for determine the tax? It sounds far fetched to me and don’t believe it for a second.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110687 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:13 pm to
Tax policies so complicated and esoteric are probably as much of a problem with legislation like this as anything. Seems like any hard number anyone might want to propose as the actual impact for an individual taxpayer would have to be “pulled from one’s arse.”

But, of course, that’s not a bug to people enacting such legislation. That’s really the driving feature, isn’t it?
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 1:16 pm
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
13631 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:15 pm to
That could go a long way towards their goal of no private home ownership, except for those chosen few.

For everyone else, here’s a pod.
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