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Social Security: We are run by imbeciles. Thieving imbeciles.

Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:47 am
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
12036 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:47 am


- **Trust Fund Impact**: Investing even a portion (e.g., 40% phased in) of reserves in equities historically would have produced higher fund balances.

One analysis found that starting partial equity investment in 1984 or 1997 would have left the fund in much stronger shape. Prospective simulations (assuming solvency-restoring tax hikes) show a 40/60 stock/bond mix yielding a median trust fund ratio ~4.0 (healthy) at the end of 75 years, versus near 0 or exhaustion in most all-bond scenarios.

- **Partial Investment Example (2005 Onward)**: If 25% of the trust fund had been shifted to the S&P 500 starting in 2005 (~$1.81T reserves then, growing to ~$2.8T by 2025 under bonds), the equity portion alone could have added ~$6.4 trillion extra by 2025 due to the index's ~9.8% average annual return vs. the fund's ~2.2%. This equates to thousands more per person in potential benefits or solvency relief.

- **Individual/Privatization Perspective**: For a typical worker contributing over a career, investing their share (employee + employer portions) in the S&P 500 would often yield far higher retirement accumulations than current SS benefits imply. Examples from studies:

- A 25-year-old investing $1,000/year for 40 years at SS's implicit ~2% real return gets ~$61,000; at conservative stock returns, $160,000+; at average historical, $225,000+ (nearly 4x)

- Over 99% of retirees in one 2005 analysis would have done better with S&P 500 investment than actual SS (even vs. CDs for many). Low earners living to extreme old age (e.g., 96+) might fare better under SS due to its progressive, guaranteed structure.

- Personal calculators/simulations for middle-class earners over 30–40 years often show $1M–$2.5M+ nest eggs from combined contributions at historical 7–10% returns (vs. SS benefits replacing a fraction of that via annuity-like payouts).

- **Long-Term Growth Multiplier**: $100 invested in the S&P 500 in 1928 (with dividends) grew to over $1.3 million by end-2026 in one dataset (~10.16% annualized). Applied to cumulative SS surpluses/contributions over decades, the compounding effect would have created trillions more in assets than the current ~$2.7T trust fund.

### Downsides and Risks
- **Volatility and Down Years**: As noted in prior context, the market had negative years (e.g., 1937, 1973–74, 2000–02, 2008, 2022). A trust fund or accounts fully in equities could face short-term shortfalls, requiring backups (e.g., general revenue or benefit adjustments) during crashes. Risk-adjusted analyses show no "free lunch"—higher expected returns compensate for

*Cash Flow and Transition**: SS is not a pure investment account; diverting taxes to equities (or private accounts) would require bridging current benefits (potentially via borrowing or tax hikes). Full privatization shifts longevity/inflation risk to individuals.

Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
7992 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:49 am to
Cool. If they get rid of it, better fricking pay me back every cent I paid in.
Posted by superwolf
Member since Dec 2006
1156 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:52 am to
It is stunning that you can pay into it for 45-50 plus years & die in your 60's & no one in your family get any of it if you are single.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
18625 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:56 am to
But if you are a illegal alien in your 60’s you can collect government money well above SSI averages after never paying a dime into
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
60591 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 11:57 am to
quote:

It is stunning that you can pay into it for 45-50 plus years & die in your 60's & no one in your family get any of it if you are single.


I think that’s partially what they count on.
Posted by GTnerd
ATL Jawja baby
Member since Sep 2023
790 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

Cool. If they get rid of it, better fricking pay me back every cent I paid in.


Amen. This country is going to rip itself apart if they deny us our money
Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
1458 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:27 pm to
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It is stunning that you can pay into it for 45-50 plus years & die in your 60's & no one in your family get any of it if you are single.


It is a scam. My old man worked until he was 70. Died about one year later, shortly after starting to collect SS. My mom has since only received the greatly reduced surviving spouse benefit, even though dad payed in for 50+ years.

Thieves, all of them.
Posted by superwolf
Member since Dec 2006
1156 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:45 pm to
It absolutely makes my blood boil.
I would have been willing in my 30's to let them take mine if I could get out of the scam trap house & invest all of those monies on my own.
That same money invested on your own over that period would be giving you a minimum of $12-15K/month instead of a measly $3K/month that barely pays bills.
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
31225 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:51 pm to
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I would have been willing in my 30's to let them take mine if I could get out of the scam trap house & invest all of those monies on my own.
That same money invested on your own over that period would be giving you a minimum of $12-15K/month instead of a measly $3K/month that barely pays bills.


I would love to see how you arrived at this figure.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
15041 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

It is stunning that you can pay into it for 45-50 plus years & die in your 60's & no one in your family get any of it if you are single.


Because, despite all the rhetoric, it isn't set up as a retirement system. It is poverty insurance.
Posted by superwolf
Member since Dec 2006
1156 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:59 pm to
My half & the company match which is actually your own money so 13% of your income invested in an S&P 500 conservative 8% return over 45-50 plus years even at a very below average of only $50K/yr annual income will put you near those numbers.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
15192 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:06 pm to
There is no lockbox. There is no lockbox. Every cent you "put into it" is already gone, spent on someone that's already retired.

You know who is going to be paying for you to "get back" the money you've put in? Your kids and grandkids.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
7992 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

There is no lockbox. Every cent you "put into it" is already gone

Lol dream on. There are only two options: reimburse every cent I paid into it or I collect the benefit for as long as people are collecting SS.

Whatever third option you’re thinking of here can be summarized as “riots”.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
473339 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:17 pm to
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Lol dream on. There are only two options: reimburse every cent I paid into it or I collect the benefit for as long as people are collecting SS.

People are like you are why this welfare scam will continue and bankrupt your children and grandchildren.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26062 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:23 pm to
The interest that the SS "Trust Fund" has paid over the years is typically below the rate of inflation. That's a scam and a skim.

Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58902 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

People are like you are why this welfare scam will continue and bankrupt your children and grandchildren.

Yep


Boomers love social security because millenials have to pay for it
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
6100 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:27 pm to
quote:


Amen. This country is going to rip itself apart if they deny us our money


Too bad boomer, yall aint going to do shite
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26062 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:28 pm to
quote:


It is a scam. My old man worked until he was 70. Died about one year later, shortly after starting to collect SS. My mom has since only received the greatly reduced surviving spouse benefit, even though dad payed in for 50+ years.


GROK says:

Percentage of the Deceased Spouse's BenefitBenefits range from 71.5% (if claimed at the earliest age) up to 100% of the deceased spouse's full benefit amount.
You can start as early as age 60 (or age 50 if disabled). The percentage increases the longer you wait to claim.Example approximations from the Social Security Administration (SSA):Over 75% at age 61.
Over 80% at age 63.
Over 90% at age 65.
100% at your full retirement age for survivor benefits (typically 66–67, depending on your birth year).

ssa.gov

If the deceased spouse was already receiving benefits, the survivor generally gets 100% of that amount at full retirement age (the SSA switches from any prior spousal benefits to the higher survivor amount).

finance.yahoo.com

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Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26062 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:34 pm to
quote:


It absolutely makes my blood boil.
I would have been willing in my 30's to let them take mine if I could get out of the scam trap house & invest all of those monies on my own.
That same money invested on your own over that period would be giving you a minimum of $12-15K/month instead of a measly $3K/month that barely pays bills.


quote:

…the Chilean Model…shows some spectacular new results for ordinary citizens… the Chilean Model is working, big time. Basically, you skip Social Security taxes for starters, which leaves you a lot more money to play around with. You then put 10 percent of your income into a government-certified private pension account (and you have many choices among them) … This is mass-scale wealth creation, and it benefits workers most of all. …Chile has no pension crisis as most of the rest of the developed world does – no worries about a “trust fund” and no Social Security “cuts” to speak of. This is why. Thirty nations have adopted the same plan… the left hates this stuff. It keeps workers out of the clutches of unions and un-dependent on government handouts. Of course leftists want it gone. They tried hard in Chile to turn workers against this pension idea.


Milton Friedman designed the Chilean SS plan. The only people who complain now are those who worked off the books.


https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2019/04/04/the-case-for-chiles-private-social-security-system/
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26062 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:43 pm to
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My half & the company match which is actually your own money so 13% of your income invested in an S&P 500 conservative 8% return over 45-50 plus years even at a very below average of only $50K/yr annual income will put you near those numbers.


A $1000 earning 2% compound interest over the last 40 years would produce about $2000. That same $1000 in the stock market over the last 40 years would produce nearly $32,000.

Most telling is seeing the constant dollar value your $1000 from 40 years ago today. It takes almost $3000 to buy today what could be bought for $1000 40 years ago.
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