Is it time for MAGA to admit that neoconservatism IS America First?

This is what I keep trying to get the simple here to understand.

They think they'd like the world we live in without American hegemony and interventionism.

They wouldn't.

The fact that they can't see this I think is straight up an IQ thing. They can't process through A to B to C to D. They can only get a straight, one transition implication. A to B or A to C.

Huckster Carlson—the same guy who claims he was attacked by a demon in his bed, while 4 dogs slept in it with him—has convinced them of something very foolish.

And they aren't letting it go.

Plus, without looking it up I doubt 10% of them could even correctly define the word "neocon."

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Lots of people who took the MAGA/AF talking point position on Ukraine are feeling like this right now:

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When are you going to admit the Democratic Party platform is America Last.

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Trump knows this, which is why he's surrounded himself with hawkish advisors who are encouraging a "world police" mindset

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He's surrounded himself with hawks who have an Israel-first mindset. Just watch. Turkey will become a "threat" that we're supposed to deal with in the next few years.

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ng authoritarian regimes to allow an opening for democratic, US-aligned movements to take powe

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this is not what takes power in these countries - its just more US friendly authoritarian regimes - which is not necessarily bad
some groups of humans are incapable of having a democratic society

Also can you admit not every US intervention or the way the intervention was orchestrated is not good?

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this is not what takes power in these countries - its just more US friendly authoritarian regimes - which is not necessarily bad
some groups of humans are incapable of having a democratic society

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In some cases, sure. There are countries where people need a strongman because they genuinely don't function otherwise. I'd still take a US-aligned autocrat over a fundamentalist islamist regime.

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Also can you admit not every US intervention or the way the intervention was orchestrated is not good?

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Of course. But I compare it to analytics. Just because the implementation was bad or it didn't work this time doesn't mean it's not the right move in general.

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Rather than pretend they've always been pro-interventionism (which no one believes) wouldn't our MAGA bros do better to offer an apology and admit that neocons' ideology has been right all along? Isolationism doesn't make your problems go away

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Yours is a thoughtful post.

And yes, neoconservatives were mostly former socialists (and communists) who had become disillusioned with Stalin’s purges. Gulag Archipelago put the nail in American Marxism’s coffin and caused a dominating anti-communist coalition to form.

The neocons joined the Paleocons (Bill Buckley et al) and began rolling back Marxism from the world. So far, so good. The cardinal sin of the neocons was to get carried away with regime change and nation building. They bit off way more than we could chew, and their original left wing sensibilities resulted in them leading the American Right astray. The Iraq war disabused the paleocons of the nation building projects, so the neocons reverted to their natural home - the democrat party.

There they continued to dominate American foreign policy, using American wealth to finance their one-world project (and greater Israel project) until one Donald J Trump pointed out how American taxpayers were getting screwed. And here we are.

The Republicans are temporarily dominated by an un-ideological populism, and probably will be until the budget is rejiggered away from serving foreign interests (EU, Arab and Israeli). Eventually a leader will arise to reorient the Republican party toward sensible capitalism.

One can be America First without ignoring the rest of the world.

The America only crowd are like people who have a nice house in the ghetto.


This statement probably doesn't even fit what y'all are talking about because I honestly didn't read much of it. That said, it sounded good in my head...think I'll print up some t-shirts.

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Just because the implementation was bad or it didn't work this time doesn't mean it's not the right move in general

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So in your opinion since WWII what were the bad interventions?

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Huckster Carlson—the same guy who claims he was attacked by a demon in his bed, while 4 dogs slept in it with him—has convinced them of something very foolish. And they aren't letting it go.

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It’s astonishing that people believe we can retreat and live comfortably within our borders and our lives would infinitely improve.

The reality is that we have nice things because we keep the world in order (or as close to order as possible).

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A lot cheaper since I wouldn't be paying taxes to Israel.

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Would it be?

Let's do the math.

Since 1947 the total aid we've given Israel is $320 Billion in inflation adjusted dollars. Roughly $4 Billion a year.

That's about one half of one tenth of one percent of the federal budget every year, which is what your income taxes are collected for. I wouldn't call that "a lot cheaper," but then again, you're a moron, so...

So if the rent in your head went down one half of one tenth of one percent, what would it be then?