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Pistol Braces are coming off the menu, boys....
Posted on 3/19/26 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 3/19/26 at 12:49 pm
"The rule may be dead, but the statute isn't..." - US DOJ
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Posted on 3/19/26 at 1:32 pm to finchmeister08
ATF - "We are enforcing a rule that doesn't exist."
perfectly describes the government
perfectly describes the government
Posted on 3/19/26 at 1:40 pm to finchmeister08
The NFA is unconstitutional and always has been. Too bad SCOTUS doesn't give a flying fart about the 2A.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 2:15 pm to finchmeister08
Cliffs please. I don’t have time to watch all that.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 2:37 pm to finchmeister08
ATF going back and forth and back again on what/how they choose to enforce makes their legal position quite weak
but yeah, BATFE has LONG outlived it's usefulness and hopefully Trump will take care of that (but I'm not holding my breath)
but yeah, BATFE has LONG outlived it's usefulness and hopefully Trump will take care of that (but I'm not holding my breath)
Posted on 3/19/26 at 2:37 pm to Theduckhunter
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Cliffs please. I don’t have time to watch all that
ATF DGAF and is calling their own shots.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 2:38 pm to Purple Spoon
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ATF DGAF and is calling their own shots.
which makes them a rogue organization .... FAFO
Posted on 3/19/26 at 2:43 pm to Theduckhunter
from what i'm reading online, it's going back to a previous ATF rule...
from what i'm reading online, the statutory definition of a rifle includes the phrase, "...intended to be fired from the shoulder..." [emphasis added]
if you build a firearm with a pistol brace with the intent to shoulder it, it's an SBR.
ETA: wanted to simplify my comments above... the ATF is claiming they don't need a rule to enforce the law of the NFA. if you're shouldering a weapon, it's a rifle, and it needs to be in compliance of the laws set in the NFA.
that's the Feds argument.
from what i'm reading online, the statutory definition of a rifle includes the phrase, "...intended to be fired from the shoulder..." [emphasis added]
if you build a firearm with a pistol brace with the intent to shoulder it, it's an SBR.
ETA: wanted to simplify my comments above... the ATF is claiming they don't need a rule to enforce the law of the NFA. if you're shouldering a weapon, it's a rifle, and it needs to be in compliance of the laws set in the NFA.
that's the Feds argument.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 3/19/26 at 3:06 pm to Purple Spoon
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ATF DGAF and is calling their own shots.
they need to be shut down. They won't, but the should.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 3:41 pm to TideCPA
SCOTUS, Congress and all presidential administrations don't give a shite about the constitution, in general. You don't end up with Medicare/Medicaid, departments like HUD and HHS (among others), and government mandated discrimination like Affirmative Action without a complete disregard for the US Constitution. So, is it a surprise the 2A gets shite on?
Posted on 3/19/26 at 5:00 pm to finchmeister08
quote:I mean…that’s common sense isn’t it?
if you build a firearm with a pistol brace with the intent to shoulder it, it's an SBR.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 7:50 pm to finchmeister08
ATF doesn't write laws
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:08 pm to cgrand
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quote:
if you build a firearm with a pistol brace with the intent to shoulder it, it's an SBR.
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I mean…that’s common sense isn’t it?
The firearm was built/sold as a handgun. This will increase the number of lawsuits, and hopefully, force the government to abide by the Webster dictionary.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:14 pm to cgrand
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I mean…that’s common sense isn’t it?
Evidently not considering the ATF was fine with people shouldering them for a period of time.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:23 pm to finchmeister08
They'll just get sued and lose again.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 8:26 pm to finchmeister08
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if you build a firearm with a pistol brace with the intent to shoulder it, it's an SBR.
Prove that intent. The ATF can't and they know they can't, if they tried they'd get wrecked in the courts.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 5:37 am to Clames
As a great man once said "Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be the name of a store, not a federal agency."
Posted on 3/20/26 at 7:31 am to finchmeister08
This is my confession. I'm upset with wrongRob.
Dumb me looks at "pistol" w/brace. Listens to the equivalent of jail house attorneys, "you can avoid the tax stamp & have a SBR errrr pistol w/brace." Dumb me thinks to good to be true but gets in over his head w/pistol brace firearms anyway.
Then of course the pistol brace drama reaches fever pitch. I have several thousand dollars of worthless to me firearms just sitting. I literally discussed the issue earlier in the week from people smarter than me all saying "You're good to go. We enforce the law here & it's pistol brace galore at our gun range you have no F's to give." Now days later this, again.
I knew better but went "wrong" anyway. When does circumventing not invite trouble? I don't even remember why I went this route to begin with, surely it wasn't over $200 freaking tax stamps. Everything I have under 16" will be an SBR soon & for me personally should have been done that way from the start. SBR's are better with forward grips anyway!
I typically look at my money and say buy once cry once or it's the cost of doing business. I've looked at my decision to go pistol w/brace and questioned it every time. "wrongRob" feels like the king of dumbasses.
Dumb me looks at "pistol" w/brace. Listens to the equivalent of jail house attorneys, "you can avoid the tax stamp & have a SBR errrr pistol w/brace." Dumb me thinks to good to be true but gets in over his head w/pistol brace firearms anyway.
Then of course the pistol brace drama reaches fever pitch. I have several thousand dollars of worthless to me firearms just sitting. I literally discussed the issue earlier in the week from people smarter than me all saying "You're good to go. We enforce the law here & it's pistol brace galore at our gun range you have no F's to give." Now days later this, again.
I knew better but went "wrong" anyway. When does circumventing not invite trouble? I don't even remember why I went this route to begin with, surely it wasn't over $200 freaking tax stamps. Everything I have under 16" will be an SBR soon & for me personally should have been done that way from the start. SBR's are better with forward grips anyway!
I typically look at my money and say buy once cry once or it's the cost of doing business. I've looked at my decision to go pistol w/brace and questioned it every time. "wrongRob" feels like the king of dumbasses.
Posted on 3/20/26 at 7:58 am to Clames
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Prove that intent.
get caught shouldering it at a range...?
put a 3D printed plug in the brace pocket...?
NFA definition of a rifle:
"A weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger."
eta: also, for everyone's awareness, if you continue to keep the brace on your firearm, be sure to keep the length of pull to a maximum of 13.5". that from the trigger to the rear of the brace parallel to the barrel.
This post was edited on 3/20/26 at 8:01 am
Posted on 3/20/26 at 8:04 am to finchmeister08
I dislike the ATF greatly, but my, apparently, unpopular opinion is, this is a Congress problem, not an agency problem.
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