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People support nanny safety laws because they don’t want to feel bad about being scared
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:01 am
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:01 am
100% what was going on with masking and the vax mandates.
And still what is going on now with a host of topics.
Sample inner monologue:
‘I wouldn’t ride a motorcycle without a helmet because I might get hurt. It insults me that someone else would make a different decision and choose not to wear a helmet’
‘Smoking could get me sick so I would never work around cigarette smoke. Therefore no one else should be allowed to take that risk’
And still what is going on now with a host of topics.
Sample inner monologue:
‘I wouldn’t ride a motorcycle without a helmet because I might get hurt. It insults me that someone else would make a different decision and choose not to wear a helmet’
‘Smoking could get me sick so I would never work around cigarette smoke. Therefore no one else should be allowed to take that risk’
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 11:08 am
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Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:17 am to weagle1999
Seat belt laws are unconstitutional. I wear mine and I think they will help in a bad wreck. But, there should not be a law making someone wear one. Of course about 80% of the laws in this country are unconstitutional but no one does anything about it. Land of the free my arse.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:27 am to wareaglepete
Nothing like your local Law enforcement agency setting up a seatbelt checkpoint at 7:30 in the morning when everyone is on their way to work/school. God forbid they make any effort at all to catch someone violating an actual traffic law or dumping a couch and dryer on the side of the highway.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:33 am to wareaglepete
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Seat belt laws are unconstitutional.
Nope.
You can ride around on private property all day long without wearing a seatbelt. If the law covered that, you'd be correct, it would be unconstitutional.
But when you are out on a public road the state gets to require stuff.
Heck, you can drive around on private property drunk as a skunk, 6 years old, high as a kite, while you're actively having a seizure, in a vehicle that's not street legal, whatever you want.
But when you use a public roadway, the state gets to set some rules.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:34 am to wareaglepete
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But, there should not be a law making someone wear one.
That's a different question.
Whether it's a good idea or not is not the same as whether it's legal (constitutional).
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:39 am to wackatimesthree
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But when you are out on a public road the state gets to require stuff.
But laws are to protect you from doing harm or taking away the life liberty and freedom of others. That is not what is happening here. They are dictating to you how you should protect yourself. Mask laws had more standing that seat belt laws.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:48 am to weagle1999
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It insults me that someone else would make a different decision and choose not to wear a helmet’
Sometimes they're just practical, retard, and not for nannying. It costs society out the arse to pay for your TBI.
Now, if you are required to waive any medical treatment in exchange, by all means, go eat some asphalt. The conservatives that support helmet laws only do so because they bear the burden of the cost.
Saying haha ,"you're failing my personal conservatism purity test" , Falls pretty f****** flat when you're also saying I'm responsible for paying for your rehabilitation after you do something intentionally stupid.
You don't get to force me into unsustainable health insurance risk pools and then get upset with laws designed to keep you from exploding the risk.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:38 pm to wareaglepete
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They are dictating to you how you should protect yourself.
Let's get started on adult bicycle helmet laws... sheesh
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:48 pm to weagle1999
It all reverts back to the original argument against Obamacare. Society is no longer allowed to enforce accountability for those that want their freedom.
If you don’t want to wear a seatbelt, that should be your choice, and it should also be EMS’ decision whether or not it scrapes you off the road.
Nobody wants health insurance until they get sick, but the hospital can’t turn away sick people that changed their minds.
If you don’t want to wear a seatbelt, that should be your choice, and it should also be EMS’ decision whether or not it scrapes you off the road.
Nobody wants health insurance until they get sick, but the hospital can’t turn away sick people that changed their minds.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:57 pm to Evolved Simian
If you actually believe all of that you should be in favor of outlawing motorcycles together, since that is a riskier activity than riding in a automobile with one’s seatbelt buckled.
You are trained and don’t even realize it.
Not wearing a helmet doesn’t guarantee that one will crash and ‘eat asphalt’. Just like not wearing a mask guarantees that one will catch covid,
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go eat some asphalt.
You are trained and don’t even realize it.
Not wearing a helmet doesn’t guarantee that one will crash and ‘eat asphalt’. Just like not wearing a mask guarantees that one will catch covid,
Posted on 2/3/26 at 1:08 pm to wareaglepete
States, since the founding of the country, have been understood to have the power to create laws governing the health, safety, morals, and general welfare of their citizens. That’s pretty broad latitude.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 1:09 pm to wareaglepete
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Land of the free my arse.
Where else will one go? This is as free as it gets and it ain't free.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 1:12 pm to Evolved Simian
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Sometimes they're just practical, retard, and not for nannying. It costs society out the arse to pay for your TBI
At speed, all a helmet protects is...well...nothing.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 1:15 pm to theballguy
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Where else will one go? This is as free as it gets and it ain't free
Ever see where we rank on the International Freedom Index?
Posted on 2/3/26 at 1:20 pm to weagle1999
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you should be in favor of outlawing motorcycles together, since that is a riskier activity than riding in a automobile with one’s seatbelt buckled.
Not altogether, only when I'm expected to pay for the damages. You are free to draw a different line & argue why we should use your line instead. But, I'd be careful, as you will quickly reach the land of no public services at all by using the same logic.
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Not wearing a helmet doesn’t guarantee that one will crash and ‘eat asphalt
It does all but guarantee that your injury will be less severe & that the bill will be smaller. It's a practical law as another poster pointed out, nothing more nothing less.
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 2/3/26 at 2:42 pm to wareaglepete
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But laws are to protect you from doing harm or taking away the life liberty and freedom of others. That is not what is happening here. They are dictating to you how you should protect yourself. Mask laws had more standing that seat belt laws.
Again, that's a valid general theory, but enacting a law that you think oversteps the bounds of "what laws are for" (which I put in quotation marks because that's your opinion of what they are for) doesn't automatically make them unconstitutional.
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Mask laws had more standing that seat belt laws.
I disagree, and I'll tell you why:
1. Mask laws overwhelmingly sought to control people's attire on private property. Grocery stores, restaurants, workplaces, etc.
2. Just breathing doesn't require anything that the state maintains or provides. There's no interstate oxygen system that taxpayers pay for or that the government regulates. When you are operating—or even a passenger—in a vehicle that is operating on a public road, you are entering a venue that the state operates. Like going to the City Hall or other government building. Yeah, you're a taxpayer, and yeah, ultimately that building belongs to you as such, but they still get to make certain areas inaccessible to the public, and you don't get to go there any time you want; they still get to set hours and decide when you are welcome to come inside and when you are not.
Besides, the argument is that a driver without a seatbelt is subject to losing control of the vehicle more easily than a driver wearing one, so there's your "laws are to protect other people" criteria.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 3:25 pm to wackatimesthree
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the argument is that a driver without a seatbelt is subject to losing control of the vehicle more easily than a driver wearing one
Is there any data to support this?
Sounds more like a hunch.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 5:34 pm to UtahCajun
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At speed, all a helmet protects is...well...nothing.
The number one expert in Florida testified years ago that over 30 mph thr helmet offers zero protection which is why they don't have helmet laws
Posted on 2/3/26 at 5:37 pm to dafif
I thought that this thread was going to be about Kamala…..
Posted on 2/3/26 at 5:47 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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States, since the founding of the country, have been understood to have the power to create laws governing the health, safety, morals, and general welfare of their citizens. That’s pretty broad latitude.
You caught a DV, but this is 100% true.
Where people might find complaint, however, is in the way that the federal government has found methods to basically compel the states to do its bidding. Drinking age laws, for example.
At that point, is it really, truly the state exercising its own latitude or is it bribery and coercion by Uncle Sam?
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