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re: Bear Grylls or Survivorman?
Posted on 2/16/09 at 4:53 pm to Mouth
Posted on 2/16/09 at 4:53 pm to Mouth
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staged or not, it doesn't change the fact that he does what he does. He just sets the situation up first, and does everything the hard way.
By extension giving you the idea that what he is doing is the best ad-hoc way to go about surviving. Which it fricking isn't.
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Summiting Everest is way harder than catching food and building a shelter. You or I have a better chance of surviving in the wilderness than we do trying to climb Everest.
Of course it is.
Being a brain surgeon is harder than being a mechanic, but that doesn't mean I want a Brain Surgeon fixing my car.
The point is that Everest will not teach you the skills you need to spend a week in the woods catching food just as Med School won't teach you to fix a car.
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Bear already knows how to find food and shelter! The son of a bitch will eat anything thats edible, and always has a quality shelter.
1) His crew helps him create a shelter
2) His crew sometimes places food into the traps he sets up.
He does know how to find, water, and shelter I'm not denying that, but you made this claim
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Bear has just as much survival information as survivor man does.
Which is not true since a shelter created by a team of trained crew people and provided food aren't analogous to real survival.
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But you have to admit when he see's a snake and just grabs that bitch, bites its fricking head off, and eats it...thats just badass.
No shite. Going back to my first post I admitted MvW is more entertaining however its the arse backwards thing to do if you are in the wilderness.
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Dude, I hope one would have enough common sense not to emulate the dangerous stuff he does for the camera like scale cliffs.
Considering some of the comments in this thread such as you are better off trying to find help(Basically always wrong) people don't.
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the best way to eat
By biting the head of a snake or squeezing elephant shite? Ummm no he doesn't.
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I just think that with his level of training and accomplishments, that Bear is better suited for all types of survival.
Maybe true, but we have no true way to measure that.
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Basically, I pretty much choose Bear b/c he kills rabbits with sticks, and eats leftover Zebra while the Lions watch...instead of some guy carving a stick and playing with a video camera!
If you are choosing it for the sensationalism aspect of it then don't make claims like
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Bear has just as much survival information as survivor man does.
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Posted on 2/16/09 at 5:02 pm to LSUtigahs28
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Which is not true since a shelter created by a team of trained crew people and provided food aren't analogous to real survival.
dude, he doesn't have a week to do this shite! The point is to show how its done and off to next task. I'm sure if he was really lost he can build a badass shelter and find his food on his own. Its about Man vs Wild....not man sits in one area and survives in the wild. So of course there is gonna be a time lapsed.
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The point is that Everest will not teach you the skills you need to spend a week in the woods catching food just as Med School won't teach you to fix a car.
My Everest point is more about creating a survivors mentality, it will help with morale and sanity if you're lost I'm sure. A sense of accomplishment can go a long way.
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If you are choosing it for the sensationalism aspect of it then don't make claims like
that last comment you're referring to was an attempt at humor FWIW
If you think that Bear isn't capable of doing everything that Stroud does you're kidding yourself
This post was edited on 2/16/09 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/16/09 at 5:08 pm to Mouth
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But you have to admit when he see's a snake and just grabs that bitch, bites its fricking head off, and eats it...thats just badass.
That's another thing that pisses me off about Bear. He does the absolutely wrong things when it comes to food. Eating any meat raw (except for saltwater animals) is just asking for trouble. Most people would get extremely sick, maybe get dysentery and shite out all of their fluids and then dehydrate and die. In a survival situation all meat (and water as well) should be properly prepared (i.e. cooked, boiled, etc). I understand that sometimes you don't have that luxury, but frick, Bear just does that shite (biting heads off snakes, drinking shite water, etc) just to look like a badass to simple minded fans of his show.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 5:28 pm to WikiTiger
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That's another thing that pisses me off about Bear. He does the absolutely wrong things when it comes to food. Eating any meat raw (except for saltwater animals) is just asking for trouble. Most people would get extremely sick, maybe get dysentery and shite out all of their fluids and then dehydrate and die. In a survival situation all meat (and water as well) should be properly prepared (i.e. cooked, boiled, etc). I understand that sometimes you don't have that luxury, but frick, Bear just does that shite (biting heads off snakes, drinking shite water, etc) just to look like a badass to simple minded fans of his show.
My thoughts exactly.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 5:43 pm to Mouth
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But you have to admit when he see's a fake snake and just grabs that bitch, bites its fricking head off, and eats it...thats just badass.
fixed
Posted on 2/16/09 at 8:46 pm to badams22
I saw Bear trap a fish in a shallow stream just off of a river by making a dam on either side of the fish, beat the shite out of the fish with a stick, and take a bite right out of the damn fish.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 10:00 pm to caruso34
if anyone just saw the new man vs wild...enough said...thread ended
Posted on 2/16/09 at 11:13 pm to Mouth
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If you think that Bear isn't capable of doing everything that Stroud does you're kidding yourself
Did I ever say that?
Posted on 2/17/09 at 12:11 am to LSUtigahs28
who do you think you are, davey crockett or some shite?
Posted on 2/17/09 at 12:55 am to caruso34
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I saw Bear trap a fish in a shallow stream just off of a river by making a dam on either side of the fish, beat the shite out of the fish with a stick, and take a bite right out of the damn fish.
My favorite is when he beat the shite out of a monitor lizard
Posted on 2/17/09 at 1:24 am to LSUsmartass
LINK
Watch this when you get off work. The end made me lol
Watch this when you get off work. The end made me lol
Posted on 2/17/09 at 2:20 am to Tino
"ahaha, frickin lizard" 
Posted on 2/17/09 at 12:29 pm to Lester Earl
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who do you think you are, davey crockett or some shite?
Exactly the opposite. I know I'm out of my element in the wilderness, which is exactly why its a dumb idea for me to do a bunch of macho bullshite stunts to try to find rescue like Acneboy will try to do.
I would become exhausted, dehydrated, and probably end up injuring myself.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 7:38 pm to LSUtigahs28
I am so sorry for starting this thread...in large part due to bringing all the anti-Bear arguements to light. Its one thing to think Les is better but another to call Bear fake etc and those that think hes better 'simple minded'...Bear catches more food(Stroud cant catch a cold), builds better shelters, and better rafts. the man proves time and time again he can survive the most extreme conditions while Stroud proves he can camp for really long periods of time.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 7:50 pm to badams22
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Bear catches more food(Stroud cant catch a cold
or has food placed into his traps by his producers....
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builds better shelters, and better rafts.
crew
Posted on 2/17/09 at 8:02 pm to LSUtigahs28
yea tigger youre right...he cant build shelters...oh and they never filmed him killing a gator catching catfish with his hand or snakes by hand...just to name a few...but other than that youre absolutely right man good post. again if you dont have anything constructive to say save it
This post was edited on 2/17/09 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 2/17/09 at 8:22 pm to badams22
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he cant build shelters
Never said that.
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they never filmed him killing a gator catching catfish with his hand or snakes by hand...just to name a few.
I understand reading is difficult for you, but I never indicated that he did not do any of these things.
I simply pointed out that in any of these scenarios he had help from his production team/crew.
You should probably leave talk like this to grownups.
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again if you dont have anything constructive to say save it
I've got a good rule for you too, Go. frick. Yourself.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 8:50 pm to LSUtigahs28
How incredibly insightful...again i totally agree i cant read, i should leave this to "grownups" too.
Im just going to pretend, for your sake, that you didn't just contradict yourself...and TRUST ME if i could i would frick myself.
Im just going to pretend, for your sake, that you didn't just contradict yourself...and TRUST ME if i could i would frick myself.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 9:32 pm to badams22
If you poured lemonade into a fake snake glass I would have no problem drinking it either. That guy is a phony. Not too daring to climb down a tree when you have guide wires and a safety crew. At least Les is real.
Posted on 2/17/09 at 9:35 pm to badams22
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Id pick Bear cuz I believe his techniques are sounder and have been proven in more conditions than Stroud
No way, most of what Bear does should never be attempted in a real survival situation.
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