Started By
Message

The Atlanta homeowner accused of shooting two teen porch pirates is now in jail

Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:44 pm
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
65435 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:44 pm
My sympathies are with the homeowner. A man has a right to protect his home and property and he had no idea if they were armed or not.

quote:

The Atlanta case centers on a homeowner accused of shooting two teens he says were trying to steal packages from his porch, and police have now jailed and charged the homeowner.

Noir’s video argues the homeowner is being punished while the thieves are not, while Jones’ report shows people in the neighborhood arguing over whether the response was justified or reckless.

survival world via msn


The homeowner

Posted by TFH
Member since Apr 2016
3457 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:49 pm to
Whether he has a right to protect his property actually comes down to law. In many locales it is not legal to use lethal force to protect property.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
14982 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:52 pm to
If I'm looking at that screengrab correctly... the thieves pulled all the way up into the driveway to steal the package/s?

Those aren't "kids"... they are coordinated, conspiring criminals.

They should be charged with conspiracy, theft AND for getting each other shot.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
92755 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:53 pm to
#Freethatman {and give him some shooting lessons}

Shot in the foot and shot in the arm? Cmon brah.

Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7478 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:55 pm to
What does the law say? That's the only question that needs to be answered.

It's not about well he should be able to do this or that. That's the debate before the law is written.

Everyone needs to know the law where you live. The laws that apply to your home, your property, your car and even when you are armed in public spaces.

Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
16974 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:55 pm to
Georgia has a pretty strong castle law but it might be contingent on attempted forced entry. I thought it also covered protection of property but I'm not sure on that
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74393 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:58 pm to
Fenced yard. Car pulls in and stealing starts. Free dat man!
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
9245 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

In many locales it is not legal to use lethal force to protect property.
He should have dragged the car through the front door.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86098 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:04 pm to
It sucks, but it's not a great shoot from what I can tell. The article is confusing, but if police say he told a friend that it was a property crime and the guys were stealing his packages when he shot them, that likely removes some of the arguments he had.

Personally, while I would intentionally kill people for stealing my Amazon packages (even if morally justified, not worth the practical life impact) - I can definitely see a scenario where two thugs rushing your front door and getting shot (even if their intention wasn't to enter) provides a very legit defense.

ETA: lol *wouldn't intentionally kill
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57977 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

Jones reported that Atlanta police say the shooting happened Thursday afternoon around 3:30 p.m. at the Villages of Cascade Townhomes, on Celeste Lane. Police say Bradford shot a 15-year-old boy in the foot and shot a second teen in the arm, and both were taken to Grady Hospital and expected to survive, according to Jones’ report.


Both boys took non-mortal wounds. Hopefully, they learned a fricking lesson.

quote:

From there, Noir framed the incident as part of a wider public mood, saying criminals are “going around stealing packages like it’s a part-time job,” while law-abiding people are told to “just accept it.”

Noir emphasized that, in his view, this wasn’t a misunderstanding. He said it was theft, and he highlighted what he saw as the most provocative outcome: “somehow, the only person in handcuffs is the homeowner.”


quote:

Noir said online commentary often frames this kind of event as a “FAFO” situation, but he stressed that he did not mean “shoot first.” He said he meant “actions have consequences,” and he argued that deterrence disappears when people can steal, laugh, post it online, and walk away with little fear of being caught.

Here’s the part that’s hard to ignore, even if you don’t like Noir’s framing: when theft feels routine and enforcement feels distant, frustration doesn’t stay polite forever.


quote:

Noir also made a point about how legal responsibility is often placed heavily on the law-abiding, while criminals are treated like “unpredictable weather.”

He said gun owners are repeatedly told they must know the statutes, consider retreat, and avoid certain actions, while offenders understand the homeowner has “everything to lose” and may believe they will face “little to nothing.”




quote:

Noir’s commentary argues the Atlanta case is the predictable result of a system that, in his view, normalizes theft and then punishes the person who finally pushes back.

Tom Jones’ reporting shows a neighborhood looking at the same facts and worrying that an argument over property could have ended in dead teenagers, with Bradford’s freedom now on the line.

Scott Minshall’s Alabama report adds a third angle: lawmakers trying to get ahead of the problem by giving police and prosecutors more leverage, especially when stolen packages can also mean stolen identities.

The fact that these stories are airing in multiple states in the same week says something on its own, because porch theft is no longer a rare oddity – it’s a routine crime that’s shaping how people think about safety at home.

And when a routine crime keeps piling up, the worst outcomes tend to come from the same place: the moment when someone decides the normal rules don’t apply anymore.

Whether you agree more with Noir’s anger or with Jones’ neighbors urging restraint, the underlying problem is the same, and it is not going away just because people are tired of talking about it.


That's about the most even-handed take I can imagine. I definitely land on the homeowner's side, but I respect a journalist that does more than just give lip-service to gathering all sides of a topic and then doesn't fall on any of them.
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 2:08 pm
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
26118 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

Shot in the foot and shot in the arm? Cmon brah.



Homeowner should say he winged them on purpose.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
22750 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:08 pm to
Arresting a homeowner for shooting thiefs is pathetic. Kemp should just go ahead and pardon him
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
16036 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:09 pm to
quote:


What does the law say? That's the only question that needs to be answered.

It's not about well he should be able to do this or that. That's the debate before the law is written.



Well the law saw it's OK to use lethal force if you are in reasonable fear of your life.

Does this not qualify?

Someone is trespassing on your property in broad daylight, they are entering your premises by coming onto your porch.

They are stealing from you. Do you know their intent? Do you know their intent once they are confronted committing a felony on your property? Do you know if they have a weapon or not?

The answer to all of those is NO, which means that it is reasonable to assume that they are their to harm you.

What if it's your wife home alone and this happens? Would you tell your wife not to shoot these people if they entered your domicile (your front porch?)
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
129531 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

Both boys took non-mortal wounds. Hopefully, they learned a fricking lesson.


Doubt it

Now they just have street cred and scars to show for it
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43967 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:10 pm to
Death is a possible consequence to any theft. Our justice system should reflect that.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
16036 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

(even if their intention wasn't to enter) provides a very legit defense.


Exactly. How does anyone know that their intent was not to enter the premises to eliminate witnesses of their felonies? None of us do.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
22750 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:12 pm to
Yea he should have just said he feared for his life. It should be reasonable to assume they are armed being in third world Atlanta
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170709 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

hey are stealing from you. Do you know their intent? Do you know their intent once they are confronted committing a felony on your property? Do you know if they have a weapon or not?

The answer to all of those is NO, which means that it is reasonable to assume that they are their to harm you.

Seems evident they were there to steal packages based on what we know. When did he shoot them?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2165 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Whether he has a right to protect his property actually comes down to law. In many locales it is not legal to use lethal force to protect property.
Never bring Reality into a TDPT discussion.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74393 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

Personally, while I would intentionally kill people for stealing my Amazon packages (even if morally justified, not worth the practical life impact) - I can definitely see a scenario where two thugs rushing your front door and getting shot (even if their intention wasn't to enter) provides a very legit defense.


How is a homeowner to deduce the age of robbers. How is a homeowner being robbed to figure out that the robbers entering his yard and his porch would not enter his house possibly armed and emboldened by their own acts. They gave a homeowner good reason to believe they were robbers on his property with no thought to any laws. Why must a homeowner prove in seconds they were not going to do more. FAFO I hope he starts a gofundme if they take him to trial.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 4Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram