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Unemployment Rose to 4 Year High in November, but Job Gains Better than Expected

Posted on 12/16/25 at 8:18 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 8:18 am
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The U.S. unemployment rate rose to 4.6% in November, its highest in more than four years, fueling questions about the American economy’s underlying strength.

A long-delayed government report on Tuesday showed that 64,000 jobs were gained in November, while 105,000 jobs were lost in October.

The unemployment rate in November rose to 4.6%, from 4.4% in September, the last month the Labor Department reported for the unemployment rate.


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Economists polled by The Wall Street Journal had expected a gain of 45,000 jobs in November, and a 4.5% unemployment rate.


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Federal-government employment shrank by 6,000 jobs in November, adding to a massive loss of 162,000 federal jobs in October. Federal-government employment is down by 271,000 since January, the Labor Department said.

Tuesday’s report offers new clues about a job market that has cooled significantly in recent months. Rising inflation and tariff uncertainty have prevented companies from expanding their workforces. But the Trump administration’s policies targeting immigrants have also curbed the number of job seekers. That has meant that labor demand hasn’t had to grow as quickly to prevent rising unemployment.

Job numbers for September and August were worse than previously reported. Some 108,000 jobs were added in September, lower than the 119,000 gain previously reported; 26,000 jobs were lost in August, instead of the previously estimated 4,000 decline.


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Overall, economists describe the current labor market as a low-fire, low-hire environment. Most companies aren’t laying off workers en masse. But they also aren’t willing to hire too many new workers—in part because they believe that a lot of those tasks can be filled by artificial intelligence. Many companies that typically rush to hire temp workers at this time of year are sitting tight.


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Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 9:03 am to
I’m just posting here so you don’t feel bad.
Posted by DB_tiger
BTR
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 9:06 am to
Isn’t that rate roughly a historical norm?
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 9:19 am to
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 9:20 am to
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Federal-government employment is down by 271,000 since January


We knew it was going to hurt labor numbers in the short-term getting rid of so many useless federal jobs. But it was a necessary bandaid to rip off.

Hopefully those people find employment elsewhere.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27548 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 9:27 am to
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I’m just posting here so you don’t feel bad.


Thank you, good sir. You are a scholar and a gentleman of the highest order.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 10:15 am to
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Federal-government employment is down by 271,000 since January


Nice start, but :rookienumbers.gif:
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
10870 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:26 am to
So, more hired with higher unemployment? Is this government useless employees "jobless" as well as ilelgals, but hiring has increased?
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
15995 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 12:36 pm to
Where’s all the manufacturing jobs at?

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27548 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 12:54 pm to
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Where’s all the manufacturing jobs at?


In the President’s defense, while I’m not sold that these tariff wars will bring back the amount of manufacturing jobs he claims, if there are jobs that will be returning in large numbers, it’s going to take more than just eight months for that to happen. In order to construct new plants, or even significant expansions of existing ones, there’s a ton of legwork that needs to be done my these companies on design, FID, permitting, etc. Those are multi-year processes.

So any of these’s “Where’s all the manufacturing jobs?” gotcha questions 11 months in are born out of either ignoring the facts of what needs to take place upfront, or out of sheer ignorance.

Again, I have serious doubts if Trump’s strategy will ultimately be successful in bringing back these hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs, or however many he claimed, but I’m not going to judge it off of Year 1 either.
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 12:56 pm
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 1:23 pm to
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Leavitt: Under Joe Biden, 100 percent of the jobs gained were for foreign born workers. These were for people who flooded our country and took the jobs of hard-working Americans
Posted by MAROON
Houston
Member since Jul 2012
2336 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:03 pm to
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Where’s all the manufacturing jobs at?

there have been a lot of countries and companies promising investment in the US. I would assume when (and if) those investments are made then jobs will come....but building plants or even plant expansions take time. Nothing happens overnight and surely not within the first year of his Presidency. If in year 3 and 4 you don't see the manufacturing jobs then you can certainly question the wisdom of the tariffs.
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
8204 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:24 pm to
If we don't get a Vance presidency, those jobs will never happen. Some of that was just to get Trump off their asses.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27548 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:52 pm to
The Administration does need to stop throwing false information and false hope out there. Just level up and be straight with the American people. We’re tired (or should be) of lying politicians promising all sorts of unattainable shite.
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:52 pm to
I might be wrong but isn't unemployment rate the rate for those actively looking for work? A rise in the rate along with job creation could mean that more people are optimistic enough to look for work...over dropping out of the labor market all together.

It's always one of those states that seems like one thing, the rate of people unemployed, over what it actually is, the rate of people looking for work who are unemployed. A lot of people, especially young men, have dropped out of the labor market and so they are invisible in the unemployment rate.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27548 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:55 pm to
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I might be wrong but isn't unemployment rate the rate for those actively looking for work? A rise in the rate along with job creation could mean that more people are optimistic enough to look for work...over dropping out of the labor market all together.


I remember that being a thing during the Obama Administration when they were trying to stave off talk about signs of a recession. The unemployment rate didn’t account for those who gave up and stopped looking for jobs.

Guess it can be interpreted differently depending on the argument one side is trying to make.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120223 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 2:55 pm to
You want to get an idea of how the economy is doing? Go read the stripper board on Reddit.

Reddit sucks but... I am sure strippers have input on how business is going.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46667 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:02 pm to
healthcare is carrying jobs this year
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2378 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:19 pm to
Was the Oct loss in gov the shutdown or the buyouts taking effect or both?
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14136 posts
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:21 pm to
Does that mean illegals are coming in faster than we can created jobs?
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