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Due To Age Related Infirmities,None Of The 12 Pearl Harbor Survivors Will Attend Memorial:
Posted on 12/7/25 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 12/7/25 at 7:51 pm
As the last survivors of the greatest generation fades into history, may the significance and the lessons of that day not be forgotten. The lessons are indeed as relevant as ever:
“Pearl Harbor provided the American war party with the means of escaping dependence on a hesitant Congress in taking a reluctant people into war. Then the very scale of the disaster gave Roosevelt and his advisers the opportunity to distract attention from the policy which had produced the disaster. By cleverly leading the people to regard December 7 as a purely military calamity and by inciting the public to fix the blame for it upon the field commanders, Roosevelt and his administration hoped that the policy of which Pearl Harbor was the inevitable product would never be questioned.
Pearl Harbor was the first action of the acknowledged war, and the last battle of a secret war upon which the administration had long since embarked. The secret war was waged against nations which the leadership of this country had chosen as enemies months before they became formal enemies by a declaration of war. It was waged also, by psychological means, propaganda, and deception, against the American people, who were thought by their leaders to be laggard in embracing war. The people were told that acts which were equivalent to war were intended to keep the nation out of war. Constitutional processes existed only to be circumvented, until finally the war-making power of Congress was reduced to the act of ratifying an accomplished fact.”
George Morgenstern / Pearl Harbor: The Story of the Secret War.
“Pearl Harbor provided the American war party with the means of escaping dependence on a hesitant Congress in taking a reluctant people into war. Then the very scale of the disaster gave Roosevelt and his advisers the opportunity to distract attention from the policy which had produced the disaster. By cleverly leading the people to regard December 7 as a purely military calamity and by inciting the public to fix the blame for it upon the field commanders, Roosevelt and his administration hoped that the policy of which Pearl Harbor was the inevitable product would never be questioned.
Pearl Harbor was the first action of the acknowledged war, and the last battle of a secret war upon which the administration had long since embarked. The secret war was waged against nations which the leadership of this country had chosen as enemies months before they became formal enemies by a declaration of war. It was waged also, by psychological means, propaganda, and deception, against the American people, who were thought by their leaders to be laggard in embracing war. The people were told that acts which were equivalent to war were intended to keep the nation out of war. Constitutional processes existed only to be circumvented, until finally the war-making power of Congress was reduced to the act of ratifying an accomplished fact.”
George Morgenstern / Pearl Harbor: The Story of the Secret War.
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Posted on 12/7/25 at 7:52 pm to Toomer Deplorable
This makes me profoundly sad.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 7:55 pm to Toomer Deplorable
That's really sad. May God bless them.all and give them peaceful rest.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 7:57 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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The secret war was waged against nations which the leadership of this country had chosen as enemies months before they became formal enemies by a declaration of war. It was waged also, by psychological means, propaganda, and deception, against the American people, who were thought by their leaders to be laggard in embracing war
Dude, did you have to dishonor some of our nations heroes with this crap?
Posted on 12/7/25 at 8:02 pm to Narax
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Dude, did you have to dishonor some of our nations heroes with this crap?
When did the truth become dishonorable?
Posted on 12/7/25 at 8:05 pm to Toomer Deplorable
The greatest generation is slowly succumbing to Father Time.
God bless the 12 remaining service members, and God bless the souls of the faithfully departed.
God bless the 12 remaining service members, and God bless the souls of the faithfully departed.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 8:31 pm to Narax
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Dude, did you have to dishonor some of our nations heroes with this crap?
How does noting that FDR intentionally sought to provoke the Japanese into war dishonor these veterans?
Posted on 12/7/25 at 8:39 pm to Toomer Deplorable
There are some questionable facts in that narrative. The Japanese Empire had long been coveting dominance of the Pacific and Asia. They were a militaristic culture with disdain for the West. They would never have accepted peaceful coexistence.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 8:46 pm to Riverside
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This makes me profoundly sad.
It really is. Crazy how different of a breed this gen is. Cool Mfrs. Some of the best conversations I've ever had have been with this generation. That's what I'll miss the most about them being gone.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 8:49 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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How does noting that FDR intentionally sought to provoke the Japanese into war dishonor these veterans?
1. Its been known for the past 80 years how Japan was looking to go to war with the US.
2. You are using this to hype your continually isolationist bullshite.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 8:50 pm to Riverside
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This makes me profoundly sad.
I join you in that sadness.
I had three uncles who served in WWII.
The last people who actually experienced hardship in this country are pretty much gone, and it is starting to show really quickly.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 8:53 pm to VOR
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There are some questionable facts in that narrative.
There are also some questionable facts in the narrative that FDR was a great defender of freedom and the Constitution.
This post was edited on 12/7/25 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 12/7/25 at 9:10 pm to Narax
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Its been known for the past 80 years how Japan was looking to go to war with the US.
2. You are using this to hype your continually isolationist bullshite.
1.) You are an ignoramus if you are unaware that a post WWII Congressional inquiry into the security lapses that resulted in the attack on Pearl Harbor revealed that FDR’s Secretary of War Henry Stimson openly debated how to provoke the Japanese into war.
2.) Go take a flying frick you war-loving baboon!
3.) See how that works?
Posted on 12/7/25 at 9:27 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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You are an ignoramus if you are unaware that a post WWII Congressional inquiry into the security lapses that resulted in the attack on Pearl Harbor revealed that FDR’s Secretary of War Henry Stimson openly debated how to provoke the Japanese into war.
Yea each of those veterans would punch you in your face if they were young enough. Pretending that the US deserved or caused the sneak attack.
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The U.S. government made nine official inquiries into the attack between 1941 and 1946, and a tenth in 1995.
The inquiries reported incompetence, underestimation, and misapprehension of Japanese capabilities and intentions; problems resulting from excessive secrecy about cryptography; division of responsibility between Army and Navy (and lack of consultation between them); and lack of adequate manpower for intelligence (analysis, collection, processing)
Maneuvering against a foe in the lead up to war is what happened, your weird conspiracy theory and your disgusting attempt to cover it with these brave Americans.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 9:45 pm to Toomer Deplorable
This break my heart. Even though I’m Gen X (born in 1970) I was raised by my maternal grandmother and surrounded by great aunts and uncles who were all from the WWII generation. The thought of living in a world where their generation is just gone kinda freaks me out.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 9:49 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Absolute Heroes. While I never had the privilege of meeting PH survivors, I was fortunate to visit the WWII Museum to listen to several Pacific war heroes tell their stories. I feel so fortunate to have heard it directly from them before they’re all gone.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 9:52 pm to Narax
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Maneuvering against a foe in the lead up to war is what happened, your weird conspiracy theory and your disgusting attempt to cover it with these brave Americans.
100%
This is a sick thread created by a sick person, and it is very disrespectful.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 10:08 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
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I join you in that sadness.
I had three uncles who served in WWII.
The last people who actually experienced hardship in this country are pretty much gone, and it is starting to show really quickly.
My maternal grandfather served in WWII as an Army Captain and my paternal grandfather served in WWII as a Marine Corps Captain. My father was an Army Lieutenant in the Korean War and father-in-law was an Army Captain in the Vietnam War.
So all the primary male role models in my life believed that military service was an honorable and noble calling. I myself served a peacetime hitch as an enlisted Marine.
I still apply the lessons I learned in Marine Corps bootcamp to my day-to-day life. And I have been richly rewarded in doing so.
With that said, an honest discussion of the documented historical fact that FDR’s administration not only were aware of the potential of a Japanese attack but actively debated how to provoke Japan into doing so is in no way an affront to Pearl Harbor veterans or veterans in general. Such a discussion indeed honors the service of veterans.
Any honest discussion of Pearl Harbor necessarily will include the political maneuvering of the Roosevelt Administration in the years before the United States entered the war. All Americans should indeed should be duty bound to insure that future generations are aware that often times in war, moral considerations can be overshadowed by calculated political manipulation to achieve strategic goals.
This post was edited on 12/7/25 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 12/7/25 at 10:32 pm to Narax
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Yea each of those veterans would punch you in your face if they were young enough.
So a disagreement on a political issue conjures acts of violence in your mind?
Sad.
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Pretending that the US deserved or caused the sneak attack.
I did not say — much less indicate— any such thing.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 10:36 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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How does noting that FDR intentionally sought to provoke the Japanese into war dishonor these veterans?
I think honoring them in one thread and talking about the geo politics of the war in another might have been the better way to go.
Just my 2 cents.
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