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Illegal Immigration amd Emotional Arguments
Posted on 12/7/25 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/7/25 at 10:21 am
I’ve been having a number of debates with folks in the New Orleans area regarding the recent ICE activities.
Most I talk with are anti ICE and pro asylum.
It’s all emotional arguments unfortunately.
What I’d like are intelligent, unemotional answers for the following and maybe some here can help:
Shouldn’t the blame for illegal immigration be placed on the country of origin? Why are their people leaving? Also, the previous administration opening the border and waving people in created this situation. Knowing the damage this causes from a PR and media standpoint. Emotional people will give it all away. Not unlike the 2nd amendment when a school gets shot up. Emotional people would give away rights for the sake of “safety”.
Given their love for their native country, coming to America for economic reasons is nothing more than robbing a bank, no? Is America a country or an economic zone? Even a large percentage of Americans feel no allegiance to this land.
If you also don’t want voter ID in place, then isn’t this just importing votes? Won’t those receiving tax payer funded lives vote for the party that will take from the tax payer and give them that life? How is this not bribery?
51% of this country doesn’t fully produce and deposit into the collective. Why is that okay? Are there jobs beneath Americans? Importing labor is morally right?
Culturally what are American values at this point? Even Americans want the country to fall from within and remake its image in that of what exactly?
Remove the emotion and please help me understand these answers.
Most I talk with are anti ICE and pro asylum.
It’s all emotional arguments unfortunately.
What I’d like are intelligent, unemotional answers for the following and maybe some here can help:
Shouldn’t the blame for illegal immigration be placed on the country of origin? Why are their people leaving? Also, the previous administration opening the border and waving people in created this situation. Knowing the damage this causes from a PR and media standpoint. Emotional people will give it all away. Not unlike the 2nd amendment when a school gets shot up. Emotional people would give away rights for the sake of “safety”.
Given their love for their native country, coming to America for economic reasons is nothing more than robbing a bank, no? Is America a country or an economic zone? Even a large percentage of Americans feel no allegiance to this land.
If you also don’t want voter ID in place, then isn’t this just importing votes? Won’t those receiving tax payer funded lives vote for the party that will take from the tax payer and give them that life? How is this not bribery?
51% of this country doesn’t fully produce and deposit into the collective. Why is that okay? Are there jobs beneath Americans? Importing labor is morally right?
Culturally what are American values at this point? Even Americans want the country to fall from within and remake its image in that of what exactly?
Remove the emotion and please help me understand these answers.
This post was edited on 12/7/25 at 10:23 am
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Posted on 12/7/25 at 10:33 am to prplngldtigr
The USA has been called “the great experiment”. Sometimes we head in the right direction. Sometimes not.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 10:46 am to UptownJoeBrown
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The USA has been called “the great experiment”. Sometimes we head in the right direction. Sometimes not.
Uh, then how do you account for what’s happening in Europe and the UK? Face it, this wasn’t a case of good intentions gone awry. There are evil forces at work seeking to destroy Western civilization.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 10:58 am to prplngldtigr
The blame is on big corporations that employ them, tacitly approve their existence, or otherwise profit off of them.
Casi in point: the Consumer Staples sector has taken a beating lately. All the articles are boohooing about “nobody can even afford toothpaste, oh no!!” But in reality, think about it: if 15M+ people show up in a few short years with nothing but the clothes on their back, what do they do? Buy a shitload of products! Same applies to apartments, automobiles, clothing, etc.
The economy isn’t “crashing” as much as it’s drifting back towards actual reality.
Casi in point: the Consumer Staples sector has taken a beating lately. All the articles are boohooing about “nobody can even afford toothpaste, oh no!!” But in reality, think about it: if 15M+ people show up in a few short years with nothing but the clothes on their back, what do they do? Buy a shitload of products! Same applies to apartments, automobiles, clothing, etc.
The economy isn’t “crashing” as much as it’s drifting back towards actual reality.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 11:03 am to prplngldtigr
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Culturally what are American values at this point?
What IS an American?
We've been diluted.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 11:03 am to SloaneRanger
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There are evil forces at work seeking to destroy Western civilization
This is the correct answer.
Look at how countries like the UK, France, and Germany exonerate immigrants from their crimes and imprison their own citizens for noticing.
For their one world authoritarian government to rise, western civilization must fall.
This post was edited on 12/7/25 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/7/25 at 11:05 am to Placekicker
Posted on 12/7/25 at 11:18 am to Placekicker
That video is absolutely sickening. Elizabeth and Phillip are rolling over in their graves.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 11:32 am to prplngldtigr
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Given their love for their native country, coming to America for economic reasons is nothing more than robbing a bank, no?
In the early 1700s there were a good number of Irish immigrants coming to an America that was dominated by British colonists. The Irish hated how they were treated. British colonists wrote: 'They are a very proud people and we have no idea why. They are ugly, unintelligent and poor. They complain about everything yet they can always go back to Ireland.'
How many went back? ZERO.
Today's 3rd world immigrants complain but they realize that their country was a pile of crap.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 11:39 am to Zach
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How many went back? ZERO.
I mean in their defense, the British owned both...
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:02 pm to Narax
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I mean in their defense, the British owned both...
Yeah, but in America the govt didn't have power over you. It was an issue of dealing with your neighbors in Colonial America. BTW, the documents we have of Anglo Americans criticizing the Irish did contain evidence of one talent that was admired. It was fighting. In the late 1600s you might have a fight between 2 churches in Pennsylvania. If the Irish joined your church they would go over and beat the hell out of the leaders of the other church.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:19 pm to prplngldtigr
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Illegal Immigration amd Emotional Arguments
To put it as simply as I can, nearly all of the illegal immigration taking place over the last few decades were done to bring a new class of extremely cheap labor into the country. You could argue it's the modern form of slavery. None of these people are citizen's and there's very little possibility they will ever citizens.
It's one thing to be charitable on an individual basis, but when this happens on such a large scale, nefarious forces are at work to take advantage of both illegal immigrants and the host country.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:21 pm to Placekicker
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For their one world authoritarian government to rise, western civilization must fall.
Exactly, notice how this seems to be happening in so many western democracies.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:23 pm to prplngldtigr
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Shouldn’t the blame for illegal immigration be placed on the country of origin? Why are their people leaving?
I would find it difficult for the country of orgin to be blamed as countries differ in the control they exercise over thier citizens leaving the country, and once they leave, there really is no control as to where they go.
I think the primary blame for illegal aliens entering the US can be blamed on the US (the previous administration allowed MILLIONS to stay after they were detained by the border patrol and released into the country). The Mexican gov didnt do that, the Biden administration did. The Mexican govt. can be blamed for allowing passage of millions of people from south and central America to pass through Mexico to get into the US border.
They helped facilitate the movement either actively or passively, either way, Millions of people didnt walk to Texas from central America.
As far as to why people (illegal aliens) from other countries leave to come here..they can work for cash, get gov paid healthcare, housing and food subsidies, they dont get that back home. I think the "emotions" begin to take over when all of this stuff happens , every day and then beyond just the taxpayer footing the bill for these people, then you add all the crime, then you get to see them on news protesting the US, daring anyone to do anything about it, as if the American taxpayer owes them.
This post was edited on 12/7/25 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/7/25 at 12:31 pm to Zach
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How many went back? ZERO.
Please take into consideration that it was the British government that was mostly responsible for creating the dire circumstances in Ireland.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:30 pm to prplngldtigr
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Most I talk with are anti ICE and pro asylum
most are likely against law and order in general/principal and have zero care about ice or the illegal aliens, specifically. Its going to take some time but the situation with the illegal aliens will get better, as time goes on the pro rhetoric will die down, there will be another shiney hook to chase. People are fed up as the cost of living continues to increase as illegals continue to live life for free as Americans pick up the tab. It's a big ship to turn, but it will turn..
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:38 pm to prplngldtigr
While liberal woman’s supposed compassion for these people is rooted in their vitriol and jealousy of the people in this country with wealth and power. They know they can’t defeat the system themselves, so they vie for the only way to defeat it, and that is by tearing down the entire system by bleeding it. If they actually cared, liberals would be housing migrants in their own homes.
It’s like back in high school the same kids always make the As on the tests, well the morons cheat and take down the entire class for it just like the movie School Ties.
It’s like back in high school the same kids always make the As on the tests, well the morons cheat and take down the entire class for it just like the movie School Ties.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 1:57 pm to Louisianalabguy
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To put it as simply as I can, nearly all of the illegal immigration taking place over the last few decades were done to bring a new class of extremely cheap labor into the country. You could argue it's the modern form of slavery. None of these people are citizen's and there's very little possibility they will ever citizens.
It's one thing to be charitable on an individual basis, but when this happens on such a large scale, nefarious forces are at work to take advantage of both illegal immigrants and the host country.
Corporations have spent decades creating the conditions that make migrant labor both necessary and profitable. Industries from agriculture to construction to hospitality rely on a workforce that is underpaid, unprotected, and easily exploited. One could argue that illegal immigration is a function of capitalism.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 2:01 pm to 4cubbies
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One could argue that illegal immigration is a function of capitalism.
One could also say illegal immigration is a function of the American bishops since they seem to support and profit from it.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 2:02 pm to prplngldtigr
The blame rest squarely on both Democratic and Repuclican politicians who want votes and cheap labor. The Republicans have seen the light and have been seeking to reverse it for a good while, but the Dems have dug in. I always get a kick out of Dems who say "who will cut your grass and work in the chicken factories". The answer to that question is irreleveant - the motivation behind the questin is relevant. They are basically saying they are OK with importing illegal immigrants to work for sub par wages, making them a new generation of share cropper and slave. The Dems are still the party of slavery.
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