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Bloomberg: The American Middle Class Is Shrinking, and That’s OK

Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:35 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:35 am
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The American Middle Class Is Shrinking, and That’s OK
By Allison Schrager
November 20, 2025


The good news is that Americans have never been richer. The bad news is that most of them don’t feel like it.

There has been tremendous growth in income and wealth in the US in the last half century, even for poorer and middle-class households. But because of the nature of that growth, as well as the changing structure of the national economy, a lot of the people who have benefited also believe that the economy isn’t working for them.

It is true the middle class is shrinking. In the 1960s the income distribution of US households looked like a bell curve with a very thick middle. Today there are fewer Americans in the middle — largely because many have joined the ranks of the upper-middle class. In 1967, a little more than 5% of Americans earned or received more than $150,000 (in 2024 dollars). Now more than 30% do. And it’s not just the middle class that moved up: In 1967, more than 38% earned or received less than $50,000. Now that figure is 21%.
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There are legitimate reasons that many households feel poorer, even if their income is greater. It is a struggle to keep up with the price increases of many critical services in regulated sectors such as health care, education and housing. There is also some justified anxiety that the earnings growth and prosperity won’t continue. The last 60 years was the Era of the Baby Boomers, when income gains were large for anyone who went to college. The college premium still exists, but it has stopped growing and it comes at a higher cost.
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This poses a challenge not just for economic planners but for the very meaning of prosperity. Growth and rising incomes are usually the goal of economic policy, including neoliberal economic policy. But the last two decades show that rising incomes aren’t always enough engender good feelings about the economy.

This intra-top-quartile resentment may also help explain why more politicians want higher taxes on super-high earners but don’t ask the upper middle class to pay any more. The taxes are not just a way to pay for more middle-class welfare benefits. They are a form of economic retribution.

The catch is that there is a tradeoff between growth and equality. At least some of the growth at the top came from more productivity. Innovative companies, some founded or led by billionaires, help make the American economy (or at least Americans’ stock portfolios) richer. Yes, there is room to increase taxes on the rich, but punitive taxes can harm growth.

The idea that the economy is rigged and zero-sum is leading to a rise in populism in both parties. The result will probably be less trade and more price controls, which would mean a slower-growing economy — or even one that is shrinking. Then Americans will learn that the only thing worse than rising inequality is flat or declining income.

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Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:35 am to
Bannon wouldn't like this.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:37 am to
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This intra-top-quartile resentment may also help explain why more politicians want higher taxes on super-high earners but don’t ask the upper middle class to pay any more.


Excuse me?
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:52 am to
Stop spending money on useless garbage and you will climb the ranks.

It’s not necessarily how much you make. It’s what you do with it.

Having no debt right now is probably the best statistic one can have today. I’m talking houses, cars, etc all pink slipped. You then become the bank brothers.

Also, stop worrying so much about how big your house is or new your car is. No one cares.
This post was edited on 11/21/25 at 8:07 am
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:55 am to
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In 1967, a little more than 5% of Americans earned or received more than $150,000 (in 2024 dollars)


The only problem I have with these articles is they never adjust the income level to where the income is coming from.

Most people who make $150k are living in urban cities with significantly higher cost of living. If you were making a "middle class income" as they define it, you would be living paycheck to paycheck in a shithole with a beater car in those areas, which doesnt sound like middle class to me
Posted by Deuces
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 7:58 am to
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This post was edited on 11/21/25 at 7:59 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:08 am to
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In 1967, a little more than 5% of Americans earned or received more than $150,000 (in 2024 dollars)
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The only problem I have with these articles is they never adjust the income level to where the income is coming from.
But that would be true of the 1967 households as well, wouldn't it?
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:10 am to
We always talk about the wrong number

Who cares what your salary is


How much cash do you have


How much debt do you have

frick your credit score

Earning more dos not equate to having more.
This post was edited on 11/21/25 at 8:11 am
Posted by tide06
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:11 am to
Look, I did all the things you outlined but it requires breaking through an earning threshold that is unattainable right now for most Gen Z people.

I bought used Toyotas and Lexus products and drove them well past 100k.

Now a new Camry costs 35-40k so the used ones are sitting at $28k with 70k miles and the interest rates are at 8-9%.

I paid off my student loans aggressively with the proceeds. Now college is 3x (16k/ year -> 45k/year) so they’re needing far long to get clear. It’s basically a mortgage to go through undergrad and grad school at this point.

I bought neglected houses and renovated them using the proceeds to acquire new assets. The first house I bought is now worth 3x what I paid for it meaning it’s 3x harder for them to come up with money down and afford the monthly.

I came out and got a really good job that allowed me to earn into 6 figures young so I could get above my base spending requirements and never picked up bad habits (expensive girls, expensive travel, sports cars, gambling, etc). Now these kids are being bombarded with gambling apps at age 18-21 and all their friends are blowing discretionary income on that and these companies don’t want college grads when they can hire visa candidates or automate with AI so even if they get a job wages are way down and many have to take a bad job absent other options.

I got married and used two incomes to achieve financial goals. Now these women don’t want to settle down until they’re run through and the college girls only date democrats so both sides are trying to figure things out on one income.

When you consider that I’m a millennial it’s pretty apparent that all this happened really recently so bottom line is we all (older millennial / gen x / boomer) need to have some understanding for what these kids coming up are going through and how it flat out isn’t how it was anymore.

If we don’t these gen Z kids are gonna break socialist and we are all f’ed.
Posted by Locoguan0
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Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:11 am to
The middle class is shrinking because the upper class is growing. What is also growing is the expectations of Americans as to what they are entitled to have. The typical lower middle class household is filled with luxuries that the same family couldn't dream of 40 years ago (and I'm not talking about just tech).

Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:12 am to
Obama/Dem strategy of "managed decline" right on schedule. They knew that opening the Border and letting an easy 20 MILLION needful people in would force MAGA to 'violently' deport them. They win with Nancy's "for the children" bs. The World's children and their parents, American citizens pay with their relative affluence going in the tank.

Transnational Progressive DEI CONTROL. Votes and talk are inflammatory re solving this issue, and that is why the Dems imported tons of hardened warriors. They read "Why the Right will win the coming Civil War" as did this Forum. That rung my bell for sure.

A very worthy challenge for Trump, the "peacemaker".
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:14 am to
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But that would be true of the 1967 households as well, wouldn't it?


Not really. Share of urban population in US has grown 8%, and thats with the population growing by 150 million. There is a lot more pressure on urban areas today than in the past

$150k turns into about $80k take home after 401k/insurance/taxes. $4k a month rent (for a 1 bed), car + insurance + more taxes, food. Your not exactly living the high life with $150k, but not pay check to paycheck. That sounds a lot like middle class

If you make $75k a year in new york city, you are poor
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:14 am to
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Most people who make $150k are living in urban cities with significantly higher cost of living. If you were making a "middle class income" as they define it, you would be living paycheck to paycheck in a shithole with a beater car in those areas, which doesnt sound like middle class to me



I grew up middle class and my rents never once bought a new vehicle.

Now this was pre Obama and before the used car market was wrecked. But back in the day middle class folks weren’t buying new vehicles every 3 years.
Posted by Sassafrasology
Member since Nov 2025
304 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:17 am to
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The American Middle Class Is Shrinking


This has been happening at a higher rate since 1971 when Nixon took us off the gold standard completely. The upper class who owns assets benefit the most from unsound inflationary monetary policy. The gap between the upper class and the middle/lower classes grows wider.

The fix is really easy. Back the dollar with gold, stop having anxiety over deflation and the people’s economy will get much healthier from top to bottom. Stop being a slave to GDP numbers.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17280 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:19 am to
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When you consider that I’m a millennial it’s pretty apparent that all this happened really recently so bottom line is we all (older millennial / gen x / boomer) need to have some understanding for what these kids coming up are going through and how it flat out isn’t how it was anymore.


I am a millennial as well and I see it. I’m trying to get my father the boomer to understand. He doesn’t want to. It’s all about hard work. He doesn’t care what job you have as long as you have a job. He’s nuts sometimes.
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
4790 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:20 am to
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I grew up middle class and my rents never once bought a new vehicle.

Now this was pre Obama and before the used car market was wrecked. But back in the day middle class folks weren’t buying new vehicles every 3 years.


Middle class people are not buying new cars every 3 years, all of the new car demand is coming from the top 10%
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
4790 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:24 am to
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When you consider that I’m a millennial it’s pretty apparent that all this happened really recently so bottom line is we all (older millennial / gen x / boomer) need to have some understanding for what these kids coming up are going through and how it flat out isn’t how it was anymore.

If we don’t these gen Z kids are gonna break socialist and we are all f’ed.




Im on the young end of the millennial bracket and feel lucky. I know people a few years younger than me who are cooked. Everything you said is spot on
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:40 am to
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I am a millennial as well and I see it. I’m trying to get my father the boomer to understand. He doesn’t want to. It’s all about hard work. He doesn’t care what job you have as long as you have a job. He’s nuts sometimes.

I’m gonna be blunt and ask something of you.

I don’t think the average boomers gives a F. Most I talk to about it just grunt or try to discount the issues these kids have coming up. It’s not the same and even showing the numbers it doesn’t land.

So to be blunt I don’t worry about them because while some of them are outstanding I just don’t think you can reach most of them because the answers are hard and they’re at a point where they feel like they’ve done their part and it’s our problem.

So my ask is *IF* you run into some Gen Z kid who is clearly struggling offer to mentor them a bit. I’ve been on campus for various reasons over the last couple years and had a chance to talk with some of these guys and there is a whole lot of struggle going on where they feel lost and abandoned.

And these aren’t entitled soy boy types bitching and moaning. I’m talking guys I would’ve been friends with coming up who just don’t know how to get a foot on the ladder.

So if the opportunity presents just consider making the offer and seeing if you can help show them how this stuff works.

Even barely knowing some of them are it’s obvious they’re pretty confused financially and with how to deal with these younger women who are a whole separate issue.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:44 am to
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The idea that the economy is rigged and zero-sum is leading to a rise in populism in both parties. The result will probably be less trade and more price controls, which would mean a slower-growing economy — or even one that is shrinking.


Trump is a product of populism. Have we seen less trade and more price controls in either of his terms? (not a rhetorical question - I checked out during his first term and don't really follow federal politics closely).
Posted by Sassafrasology
Member since Nov 2025
304 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:53 am to
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Trump is a product of populism. Have we seen less trade and more price controls in either of his terms?


Populism has not ushered in any large scale “price controls”. The large price controls that are currently in place that I can think of are the following:

Medicare drug prices.
Natural gas transportation rates.
Wholesale electricity rates.
Federal Reserve price on money.


These price controls have been implemented by the federal government before Trump “populism”.

What are the new price controls under Trump? Cap on the fat shot?
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