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Tesla in shambles; Toyota debuts electric Hilux with 140 mile range
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:00 am
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:00 am
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where dat solid state battery at?
where dat solid state battery at? quote:
It all sounds nice until you get to the battery and range. The electric version of the Hilux has a 59.2 kWh li-ion battery, with a WLTP driving range of about 149 miles, or 240 kilometers.
That, simply put, is painfully low, given that a competitor like Rivian's R1T pickup offers 270 to 420 miles of EPA range, depending on the battery. Bear in mind that Europe's WLTP testing is less stringent than the U.S. EPA standard, meaning that the Hilux will probably drop to sub-130 mile advertised EPA range.
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:03 am to CAD703X
A Hilux is meant to be driven and abused, then when it has 400k miles on it, towed to South America for them to rebuild and abuse some more. Not some piddly EV toy
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:03 am to CAD703X
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electric Hilux with 140 mile range
Not interested, give me the 3.0L diesel with ~400mi range.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:05 am to CAD703X
But can it power your house during a storm ?
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:05 am to HenryParsons
single cab, 4wd with manual transmission while we're building dream rigs
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:05 am to CAD703X
That doesn’t look like the Hilux I wanted.
No announced price yet. Oh well.
No announced price yet. Oh well.
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 9:38 am
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:10 am to CAD703X
electric Hilux sounds like a great band name.
So there's that
So there's that
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:13 am to Meauxjeaux
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electric Hilux sounds like a great band name.
Sounds like a vacuum cleaner, Electrolux Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:19 am to CAD703X
first a V6 in a Landcruiser and now Hilix as an EV
Toyota is killing their own brands, give this shite new names
Toyota is killing their own brands, give this shite new names
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:20 am to CAD703X
150 miles would meet my need for local driving. The family car is what we use for road trips anyway. If price is right I'd consider it.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:23 am to HeadSlash
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Sounds like a vacuum cleaner, Electrolux
I thought the exact same thing.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:25 am to CAD703X
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That, simply put, is painfully low, given that a competitor like Rivian's R1T pickup offers 270 to 420 miles of EPA range, depending on the battery. Bear in mind that Europe's WLTP testing is less stringent than the U.S. EPA standard, meaning that the Hilux will probably drop to sub-130 mile advertised EPA range.
From a small amount of checking around, it looks like the Hilux will never be sold in the US market. Someone correct me if they see it reported elsewhere. Tesla has things to worry about in the US backyard, but this aint it.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:27 am to CAD703X
Not a single pic posted
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:28 am to CAD703X
I'm a fan of Toyota and EV's. But turning Toyotas most rugged ORV into an EV is stupid. Really stupid.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:29 am to Ingeniero
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A Hilux is meant to be driven and abused, then when it has 400k miles on it, towed to South America for them to rebuild and abuse some more. Not some piddly EV toy
Or taken to the top of a building set for demolition
Top Gear - Killing a Toyota
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:31 am to MrBobDobalina
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dream rigs
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:32 am to Eighteen
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Toyota is killing their own brands,
At one point I was such a fan that I made TM 8% of my IRA.
After these last 5 years I'm considering baling. They have made some bad choices.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:33 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
quote:let me break it down:
150 miles would meet my need for local driving. The family car is what we use for road trips anyway. If price is right I'd consider it
EPA "real world" mileage means more like 120 mile range assuming you don't accelerate fast and go 70 on the interstate which drains it even faster.
You'll also be told to keep it charged to 80% to keep the batteries healthy so now we're talking 96 mile range.
Now factor in "range anxiety" where the vehicle goes into power saving mode at 20% battery life and starts to disable features so now you're looking at roughly 77 miles of actual usable range.
Still interested?
Everything I said above is true and I learned the hard way when we owned a Tesla.
Saying you'll always remember to charge it to 100% the night before a heavy usage day..?
Good luck.
Convincing your wife that it's ok to keep going when you're under 20% battery while the vehicle is beeping at you to find an electric charging station?
Good luck.
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 8:45 am
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:36 am to CAD703X
If I'm Tesla, I build out more Superchargers on secondary highways and work to refine the vehicles I have and keep them fresh. I do not spend piles of cash introducing new models unless the economics make sense for very high margin, low volume (like the sports car)
Everyone that wanted a mass market electric car bought one before the tax credit expired at the end of September. But higher end models still have some legs. Basically manufacturers borrowed demand from 2026 to sell cars in summer 2025. It will be a year or so before EV demand levels out. Sales will climb from October/November, but it won't return to the summer 2025 highs for years.
That's why Cadillac is shockingly successful at EVs (no pun intended) - they aren't cheap, and they are status items for people who either want a little higher quality than Tesla offers. GM can actually make a few dollars on them and there is no expectation that they are super high volume. Buyers who insist on EVs but hate Elon Musk seem to be going to Cadillac. I think Genesis and Lexus will do well in that segment too for the same reasons as their EV models slowly trickle into production.
The more I think of it, Tesla is in kind of an awkward spot right now. Not just because they are EV only, but because of the surprising success of Hyundai and GM in that market.
I'm not opposed to a smaller tax break for EVs, but it has to be for American designed, American built vehicles with batteries and hardware containing at least 80% American parts content. We need enough of a carrot there to keep the Chinese garbage out of the market. The tax credit should be formatted to encourage development of domestic supply chains for EVs, not for pushing EVs on people who don't really want them.
Everyone that wanted a mass market electric car bought one before the tax credit expired at the end of September. But higher end models still have some legs. Basically manufacturers borrowed demand from 2026 to sell cars in summer 2025. It will be a year or so before EV demand levels out. Sales will climb from October/November, but it won't return to the summer 2025 highs for years.
That's why Cadillac is shockingly successful at EVs (no pun intended) - they aren't cheap, and they are status items for people who either want a little higher quality than Tesla offers. GM can actually make a few dollars on them and there is no expectation that they are super high volume. Buyers who insist on EVs but hate Elon Musk seem to be going to Cadillac. I think Genesis and Lexus will do well in that segment too for the same reasons as their EV models slowly trickle into production.
The more I think of it, Tesla is in kind of an awkward spot right now. Not just because they are EV only, but because of the surprising success of Hyundai and GM in that market.
I'm not opposed to a smaller tax break for EVs, but it has to be for American designed, American built vehicles with batteries and hardware containing at least 80% American parts content. We need enough of a carrot there to keep the Chinese garbage out of the market. The tax credit should be formatted to encourage development of domestic supply chains for EVs, not for pushing EVs on people who don't really want them.
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 8:39 am
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