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The return of manufacturing through tariffs is fantasy

Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:01 am
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7645 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:01 am
Why pretend?
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
19915 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:04 am to
It’s happening as we speak.

Google it.
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
26115 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:04 am to
Clutch it like a cornerstone
Otherwise, it all comes down
Justify denials and
Grip 'em to the lonesome end
Clutch it like a cornerstone
Otherwise, it all comes down
Terrified of being wrong
Ultimatum prison cell
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70129 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:05 am to
The world has invested like 6 trillion since trump took office. You can't build a factory in a day
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
27805 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:06 am to
You're wrong about that and you don't deserve the Perfect Circle username.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11451 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:06 am to
We only have a few trillion dollars in planned growth. Tariffs were such a failure.

Where do these people come from?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85764 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:08 am to
I just don't get the endgame here. The envisioned success will depend on multiple administrations reinforcing what Trumps started. I highly doubt even Vance intends to make tariff policy a centerpiece of his (hypothetical) administration.

I don't fundamentally object to tariffs as a concept as Con, Inc. does. I just don't see how this ends up bearing a lot of fruit. I'm not sure it's possible for the results to benefit Trump and the right politically in the near term. And substantively, I don't see enough continuity for long enough to see the vision through.

In contrast, I believe Trump is focusing excessively on foreign policy issues because he sees it as legacy/glory items. I think that's the wrong move given the campaign promises, but it tracks with Trump's MO I think. If one of the major conflicts resolves definitively on his watch, he'll claim victory even if he won't get the credit other Presidents would.

Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33018 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:09 am to
quote:

The return of manufacturing through tariffs is fantasy



It's been less than a year. How fast do you think we can build factories?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26355 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:13 am to
We are seeing announcements and plans being released. But factory expansions and construction do not happen overnight.

Trump hasn't even been office for a year yet. I do agree that trying to correct 40 years of foolish trade policy in a short period of time is risky, but there's no way we could ever expect an immediate resurgence. We just can't lay bricks that fast.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26355 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:15 am to
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I highly doubt even Vance intends to make tariff policy a centerpiece of his (hypothetical) administration.


In theory it wouldn't need to be. Minor updates and continued enforcement at that point should be all that's required if trade agreements are ironed out.

But I guess we'll see. I don't think we can afford a return to the policies of the 1980s-2010s that destroyed so much of our manufacturing.
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 11:17 am
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7645 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:17 am to
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The envisioned success will depend on multiple administrations reinforcing what Trumps started.


That's the rub. As soon as the Left regains power, every economic policy this administration has pursued will be abandoned.
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 11:18 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293212 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:18 am to
Yeah, Vance is not going to continue this tariff policy. Hes far more about sound economics than Trump.

I have zero doubt he will drop most of the tariffs.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8788 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:26 am to
It’s only fantasy in the sense that it’s not likely that future presidents will keep them going. And a trade war like this can take 10 years to become very noticeable to the average American.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62460 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:26 am to
quote:

We only have a few trillion dollars in planned growth.
Just like BR has a loop, planned.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38227 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:26 am to
quote:

The world has invested like 6 trillion since trump took office
link?
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26235 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:27 am to
quote:

I just don't get the endgame here.


Winning. Making America Great Again

quote:

The envisioned success will depend on multiple administrations reinforcing what Trumps started.



Trump should not do what is best for America because he can't control what his successors do?

quote:

I highly doubt even Vance intends to make tariff policy a centerpiece of his (hypothetical) administration.


You don't know that. Pure speculation based on nothing. And by the time the next presidential election comes around the Tariff leverage tool will have mostly settled to the optimal level. Tariffs are a tool that Trump is using that has been used against us without response from us because our leaders didn't want us to succeed. Trump is having to do this with every country on Earth. Presidents coming after him will have already had a large portion of the work already done and will not need to do squat.

quote:

I don't fundamentally object to tariffs as a concept


And there it is.

quote:

I just don't see how this ends up bearing a lot of fruit.


Typical you can't see the this bearing fruit when it already has.


quote:

In contrast, I believe Trump is focusing excessively on foreign policy issues because he sees it as legacy/glory items.


He is focusing a lot on foreign policy... because it has been used against us for so long. The traitors in the Whitehouse made foreign policy a shite show and you are upset that Trump is spending the time to fix it.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
5608 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:33 am to
You know what’s not a fantasy? Economic growth not outpacing inflation and we are barely outpacing it now. The only thing economically we can do to expand economic growth is investing in manufacturing and natural resources. You can pretend that we can just keep doing what we have been doing for the last several decades and everything will just work out. That’s ignorant and foolish. I have no idea if tariffs will greatly impact manufacturing in the US but I do know what won’t work and that is doing nothing.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85764 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:46 am to
Not much of that is applicable to anything I care about. And regardless of your trust in Trump or your beliefs, average Americans aren't seeing the benefits.

Trump should focus on 25 year old guys who live in cities with non-American city councils who can't buy a home or get a life started.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
41646 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:49 am to
No one ever claimed this in the 1st place, so what's your point?

Tariffs are about TRADE, no manufacturing.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293212 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:50 am to
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Tariffs are about TRADE, no manufacturing.


Since when? The entire MAGA reasoning for tariffs was to return mfg to the States.

Which will never happen.
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