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Re: "Marry the house date the rate" from 2 years ago. Did the FED achieve a soft landing?

Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:22 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178858 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:22 am
I made this thread two years ago and was curious to revisit

This is what I was calling out.



Thread: New Realtor talking point: "Marry the house, date the rate"




I am going to use Lake Charles as an example. Keep in mind RE is local and this is only for Lake Charles since the Realtor I saw posting this is from LC

According to FRED data, home values in Lake Charles have dropped about 2.2% since then. On a $250,000 home, that’s $5,500 in lost value.

Not only does that mean you have negative equity compared to today's prices, but you also purchased when FHA rates were around 6.91%.

Let’s assume a $250K FHA loan at 6.91%, financed 100% (for simplicity), with no refinancing for two years. Here’s what that looks like:

Original Loan at 6.91%:

Year 1: Interest $17,169.14 | Principal $2,588.86

Year 2: Interest $16,984.75 | Principal $2,773.25

Total (2 years): $34,153.89 in interest, $5,362.11 toward principal

So after two years, you’ve paid over $34K in interest but reduced your principal by only about $5.3K, and your home value dropped $5.5K. That’s still negative equity.

Now, let’s say you refinance after a year (FHA typically requires 210 days minimum, but with appraisals and underwriting, a year is realistic). The new rate at that time would have been 6.34%.

After Refinance:

Year 1: Interest $17,169.14 | Principal $2,588.86

Year 2: Interest $15,603.98 | Principal $2,850.39

Total (2 years): $32,773.12 in interest, $5,439.25 toward principal

That doesn’t include refinancing costs (appraisal, title work, etc.), but at least you’ve almost broken even: only about $60 in negative equity, and now you could refinance again at today’s rate of 6.06%. Paying more closing costs to do so.

I used FHA, but I am sure it works the same for VA, Conventional, USDA, etc


Did the FED actually achieve the elusive "soft landing"?


BTW, the first response in my thread from two years ago:




This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 8:40 am
Posted by TigersHuskers
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2014
14400 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:45 am to
Wait, so STDTiger wanted higher rates?
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178858 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:48 am to
No. Lower. Always lower.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14298 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:56 am to
I still believe he cut to early, I say that understanding he based his decisions on Biden policy vs trump and didn’t foresee the tariff policy coming down the line. Heavier rate cuts this year with the tariff policy of trump would’ve put more juice in the economy IMO..

I’m not one of the anti Powell guys, I think he’s been a pretty steady chairman..not free from criticism of course
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92279 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:00 am to
You wanted powell to cut in 2023?

Rates have dropped to the 5s or high 4s with good credit

Values have gone up 3-4% each year

More rate custs coming. No 2008 like you keep predicting

2026 is gonna be a great year
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170130 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:02 am to
Are you a realtor? Because you sound like a realtor.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92279 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:10 am to
You are just mad cause i keep making you look like a fool

Your link to an LLC dumping a home at loss was the icing on the cake
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58231 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:11 am to
Lower rates only benefit black stone and the rest of the evil housing cartel


The boomers on here want low rates so they can sell their McMansions easier rather than leaving anything to their pesky millenial kids
Posted by Pvt Hudson
Member since Jan 2013
4611 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:12 am to
How wealthy are you for renting all that time instead?
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
10669 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:13 am to
quote:

Rates have dropped to the 5s or high 4s with good credit


Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
12309 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:13 am to
quote:

"Marry the house date the rate"


I remember every real estate agent using this catch phrase to convince some poor soul to overpay for a house.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178858 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:14 am to
quote:

Rates have dropped to the 5s or high 4s with good credit


I am using average rates. My whole post was based on the average at the time and based on LC.

quote:

No 2008 like you keep predicting



If anyone can link me to a single time I’ve ever said a 2008-style crash would happen, I’ll send you $100 on Cash App.

I’ve actually said the opposite hundreds of times. You just default to “2008” as a hyperbolic distraction.

I’ve never once predicted a 2008 repeat. What I’ve said consistently is that I expect a correction, not a crash. And honestly, I think that correction would have already happened if we hadn’t abused forbearance programs and other policies to artificially prop up the market.

Now we’re headed toward 50-year mortgages, just another way of kicking the can down the road.

It’s not hard to see how policy manipulation has kept the market afloat.

And since you brought up 2008, foreclosure activity is increasing for the first time since its 2010 peak. That’s not opinion; that’s a verifiable fact backed by CoreLogic and ATTOM data.
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17497 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:18 am to
quote:

2026 is gonna be a great year


I sure hope so because i am looking to build early next year. Just finishing designs. I could always hold a bit but not sure what that would do.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178858 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:28 am to
quote:

I sure hope so because i am looking to build early next year. Just finishing designs. I could always hold a bit but not sure what that would do.


I bought a few flips that will be ready end of this year and early next year, respectively. If they sell, then great, but I bought them also with the fallback that I have a ton of equity and can rent them out, worst case. I am paying cash but will do a cash-out refi if I have to rent them so not a huge deal.

I think the market in LC is not going to go well at all in 2026 or in Louisiana in general.

My firm, which manages foreclosures for banks, is very busy in Lafayette and Baton Rouge. We are doing way more lockouts than we have in years. We would get a few new properties per month. Now we are getting 3 or 4 a week and ramping up. I don't cover anything North of Alexandria so not sure how bad NLA is but I suspect about the same.

Investors also aren't buying up repos like they used to so there are more of them for sale (AKA REO) than there has been in a long time


Distressed Property Volume Climbs as Investor Demand Softens


quote:

Despite the increase in available inventory, investor participation slowed. The foreclosure auction sales rate fell 12% year-over-year and 2% quarter-over-quarter, the lowest level in nearly three years.

Average buyer bids at foreclosure auctions dropped to 55.7% of after-repair value (ARV), down slightly from 56.5% in Q2. On the REO side, bids averaged 53.6% of ARV, the lowest in 29 quarters.

Auction.com survey data indicate that some investors are tempering offers or pausing activity amid expectations of softening property values and higher renovation costs.
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17497 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:38 am to
So what does this mean for a guy like me trying to build in 2026?
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
178858 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:40 am to
Probably not much unless you are building to sell
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17497 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:41 am to
quote:

Probably not much unless you are building to sell


No, intend on being in there for at least 10 years.

Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6742 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:46 am to
quote:

I’ve never once predicted a 2008 repeat. What I’ve said consistently is that I expect a correction, not a crash.


We wont see it in housing, but those poor bastards who fiananced 90k SUVs at 12% with nothing down are going to feel the pain.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
153955 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:47 am to
Sounds more like a shyster mortgage broker.
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