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Re: "Marry the house date the rate" from 2 years ago. Did the FED achieve a soft landing?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:22 am
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:22 am
I made this thread two years ago and was curious to revisit
This is what I was calling out.
Thread: New Realtor talking point: "Marry the house, date the rate"
I am going to use Lake Charles as an example. Keep in mind RE is local and this is only for Lake Charles since the Realtor I saw posting this is from LC
According to FRED data, home values in Lake Charles have dropped about 2.2% since then. On a $250,000 home, that’s $5,500 in lost value.
Not only does that mean you have negative equity compared to today's prices, but you also purchased when FHA rates were around 6.91%.
Let’s assume a $250K FHA loan at 6.91%, financed 100% (for simplicity), with no refinancing for two years. Here’s what that looks like:
Original Loan at 6.91%:
Year 1: Interest $17,169.14 | Principal $2,588.86
Year 2: Interest $16,984.75 | Principal $2,773.25
Total (2 years): $34,153.89 in interest, $5,362.11 toward principal
So after two years, you’ve paid over $34K in interest but reduced your principal by only about $5.3K, and your home value dropped $5.5K. That’s still negative equity.
Now, let’s say you refinance after a year (FHA typically requires 210 days minimum, but with appraisals and underwriting, a year is realistic). The new rate at that time would have been 6.34%.
After Refinance:
Year 1: Interest $17,169.14 | Principal $2,588.86
Year 2: Interest $15,603.98 | Principal $2,850.39
Total (2 years): $32,773.12 in interest, $5,439.25 toward principal
That doesn’t include refinancing costs (appraisal, title work, etc.), but at least you’ve almost broken even: only about $60 in negative equity, and now you could refinance again at today’s rate of 6.06%. Paying more closing costs to do so.
I used FHA, but I am sure it works the same for VA, Conventional, USDA, etc
Did the FED actually achieve the elusive "soft landing"?
BTW, the first response in my thread from two years ago:

This is what I was calling out.
Thread: New Realtor talking point: "Marry the house, date the rate"
I am going to use Lake Charles as an example. Keep in mind RE is local and this is only for Lake Charles since the Realtor I saw posting this is from LC
According to FRED data, home values in Lake Charles have dropped about 2.2% since then. On a $250,000 home, that’s $5,500 in lost value.
Not only does that mean you have negative equity compared to today's prices, but you also purchased when FHA rates were around 6.91%.
Let’s assume a $250K FHA loan at 6.91%, financed 100% (for simplicity), with no refinancing for two years. Here’s what that looks like:
Original Loan at 6.91%:
Year 1: Interest $17,169.14 | Principal $2,588.86
Year 2: Interest $16,984.75 | Principal $2,773.25
Total (2 years): $34,153.89 in interest, $5,362.11 toward principal
So after two years, you’ve paid over $34K in interest but reduced your principal by only about $5.3K, and your home value dropped $5.5K. That’s still negative equity.
Now, let’s say you refinance after a year (FHA typically requires 210 days minimum, but with appraisals and underwriting, a year is realistic). The new rate at that time would have been 6.34%.
After Refinance:
Year 1: Interest $17,169.14 | Principal $2,588.86
Year 2: Interest $15,603.98 | Principal $2,850.39
Total (2 years): $32,773.12 in interest, $5,439.25 toward principal
That doesn’t include refinancing costs (appraisal, title work, etc.), but at least you’ve almost broken even: only about $60 in negative equity, and now you could refinance again at today’s rate of 6.06%. Paying more closing costs to do so.
I used FHA, but I am sure it works the same for VA, Conventional, USDA, etc
Did the FED actually achieve the elusive "soft landing"?
BTW, the first response in my thread from two years ago:
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 8:40 am
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:45 am to stout
Wait, so STDTiger wanted higher rates?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:48 am to TigersHuskers
No. Lower. Always lower.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 8:56 am to stout
I still believe he cut to early, I say that understanding he based his decisions on Biden policy vs trump and didn’t foresee the tariff policy coming down the line. Heavier rate cuts this year with the tariff policy of trump would’ve put more juice in the economy IMO..
I’m not one of the anti Powell guys, I think he’s been a pretty steady chairman..not free from criticism of course
I’m not one of the anti Powell guys, I think he’s been a pretty steady chairman..not free from criticism of course
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:00 am to stout
You wanted powell to cut in 2023?
Rates have dropped to the 5s or high 4s with good credit
Values have gone up 3-4% each year
More rate custs coming. No 2008 like you keep predicting
2026 is gonna be a great year
Rates have dropped to the 5s or high 4s with good credit
Values have gone up 3-4% each year
More rate custs coming. No 2008 like you keep predicting
2026 is gonna be a great year
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:02 am to SDVTiger
Are you a realtor? Because you sound like a realtor.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:10 am to Powerman
You are just mad cause i keep making you look like a fool
Your link to an LLC dumping a home at loss was the icing on the cake
Your link to an LLC dumping a home at loss was the icing on the cake
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:11 am to stout
Lower rates only benefit black stone and the rest of the evil housing cartel
The boomers on here want low rates so they can sell their McMansions easier rather than leaving anything to their pesky millenial kids
The boomers on here want low rates so they can sell their McMansions easier rather than leaving anything to their pesky millenial kids
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:12 am to stout
How wealthy are you for renting all that time instead?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:13 am to SDVTiger
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Rates have dropped to the 5s or high 4s with good credit
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:13 am to stout
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"Marry the house date the rate"
I remember every real estate agent using this catch phrase to convince some poor soul to overpay for a house.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:14 am to SDVTiger
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Rates have dropped to the 5s or high 4s with good credit
I am using average rates. My whole post was based on the average at the time and based on LC.
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No 2008 like you keep predicting
If anyone can link me to a single time I’ve ever said a 2008-style crash would happen, I’ll send you $100 on Cash App.
I’ve actually said the opposite hundreds of times. You just default to “2008” as a hyperbolic distraction.
I’ve never once predicted a 2008 repeat. What I’ve said consistently is that I expect a correction, not a crash. And honestly, I think that correction would have already happened if we hadn’t abused forbearance programs and other policies to artificially prop up the market.
Now we’re headed toward 50-year mortgages, just another way of kicking the can down the road.
It’s not hard to see how policy manipulation has kept the market afloat.
And since you brought up 2008, foreclosure activity is increasing for the first time since its 2010 peak. That’s not opinion; that’s a verifiable fact backed by CoreLogic and ATTOM data.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:18 am to SDVTiger
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2026 is gonna be a great year
I sure hope so because i am looking to build early next year. Just finishing designs. I could always hold a bit but not sure what that would do.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:28 am to back9Tiger
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I sure hope so because i am looking to build early next year. Just finishing designs. I could always hold a bit but not sure what that would do.
I bought a few flips that will be ready end of this year and early next year, respectively. If they sell, then great, but I bought them also with the fallback that I have a ton of equity and can rent them out, worst case. I am paying cash but will do a cash-out refi if I have to rent them so not a huge deal.
I think the market in LC is not going to go well at all in 2026 or in Louisiana in general.
My firm, which manages foreclosures for banks, is very busy in Lafayette and Baton Rouge. We are doing way more lockouts than we have in years. We would get a few new properties per month. Now we are getting 3 or 4 a week and ramping up. I don't cover anything North of Alexandria so not sure how bad NLA is but I suspect about the same.
Investors also aren't buying up repos like they used to so there are more of them for sale (AKA REO) than there has been in a long time
Distressed Property Volume Climbs as Investor Demand Softens
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Despite the increase in available inventory, investor participation slowed. The foreclosure auction sales rate fell 12% year-over-year and 2% quarter-over-quarter, the lowest level in nearly three years.
Average buyer bids at foreclosure auctions dropped to 55.7% of after-repair value (ARV), down slightly from 56.5% in Q2. On the REO side, bids averaged 53.6% of ARV, the lowest in 29 quarters.
Auction.com survey data indicate that some investors are tempering offers or pausing activity amid expectations of softening property values and higher renovation costs.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:38 am to stout
So what does this mean for a guy like me trying to build in 2026?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:40 am to back9Tiger
Probably not much unless you are building to sell
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:41 am to stout
quote:
Probably not much unless you are building to sell
No, intend on being in there for at least 10 years.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:46 am to stout
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I’ve never once predicted a 2008 repeat. What I’ve said consistently is that I expect a correction, not a crash.
We wont see it in housing, but those poor bastards who fiananced 90k SUVs at 12% with nothing down are going to feel the pain.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:47 am to Powerman
Sounds more like a shyster mortgage broker.
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