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Defensive struggles & Baker
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:56 pm
For myself, i dont want to see Baker leave.
Its hard to field a dynamic defense without an offense to complement you.
1st game of the year there was balance, allowing the defense to excel.
I dont believe baker is what alot of people say and there is some good
1. Whit being injured hurts. QB of the D.
2. Lack of ability to move the chains on offense,
3. Yeah some of the players prolly fed up with Kelly & entire operation.
- to point #2 - i was officially done with kelly when he was chewing baker out in 1h vs OM when his defense saw 50 snaps in 1H.
A stale, inept offense week in and week out can tire a defense over time.
( no doubt need improvement vs mobile qb's )
but I believe baker has been & can field an elite defense with complementary football on the other side of the ball.
players really enjoy playing for him
Its hard to field a dynamic defense without an offense to complement you.
1st game of the year there was balance, allowing the defense to excel.
I dont believe baker is what alot of people say and there is some good
1. Whit being injured hurts. QB of the D.
2. Lack of ability to move the chains on offense,
3. Yeah some of the players prolly fed up with Kelly & entire operation.
- to point #2 - i was officially done with kelly when he was chewing baker out in 1h vs OM when his defense saw 50 snaps in 1H.
A stale, inept offense week in and week out can tire a defense over time.
( no doubt need improvement vs mobile qb's )
but I believe baker has been & can field an elite defense with complementary football on the other side of the ball.
players really enjoy playing for him
This post was edited on 11/2/25 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 11/2/25 at 11:07 pm to LSUholddatTiga
People underestimate how hard it is to "stop" a quarterback who can run and pass with accuracy.
If you spy, you're taking someone out of coverage; if you don't, he can run.
It's why basically no one could corral Jayden Daniels in 2023.
If you spy, you're taking someone out of coverage; if you don't, he can run.
It's why basically no one could corral Jayden Daniels in 2023.
This post was edited on 11/2/25 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 11/2/25 at 11:13 pm to LSUholddatTiga
This defense was TIRED. This break should rejuvenate them. When you have a “3 & out” offense…. your D WILL EVENTUALLY TIRE
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:40 am to LSUholddatTiga
Blake needs to really do some self scouting with offensive Coaches to understand how to stop a running QB. His defensive style being so aggressive can work on mobile QBs but you have to have controlled chaos not just chaos.
If he can figure that out he will be an ELITE defensive Coach. Until then he will always have a significant flaw. He has never been able to stop the mobile QB.
Outside of that I think this years struggles were mainly due to promises given to Perk. There is zero reason why a player who doesn't do his job, give full effort, or know what hes supposed to do should be playing the amount of snaps he is. That tells me its promises because there has been no adjustments or accountability. I really believe he should only be a 3rd down/pass rush substitution player. He should not be playing on 1st and 2nd down right now. Move him back to a see ball, get ball role in passing situations and let someone else be the spy since he clearly doesn't want to do that either.
If he can figure that out he will be an ELITE defensive Coach. Until then he will always have a significant flaw. He has never been able to stop the mobile QB.
Outside of that I think this years struggles were mainly due to promises given to Perk. There is zero reason why a player who doesn't do his job, give full effort, or know what hes supposed to do should be playing the amount of snaps he is. That tells me its promises because there has been no adjustments or accountability. I really believe he should only be a 3rd down/pass rush substitution player. He should not be playing on 1st and 2nd down right now. Move him back to a see ball, get ball role in passing situations and let someone else be the spy since he clearly doesn't want to do that either.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:58 am to LSUholddatTiga
Baker's tenure so far has been defined as not being able to stop great offenses with a pulse. I understand that the offense being awful and Whit being out make it harder, but they also had plenty of opportunities to get off the field when they needed to and didn't. Ultimately, that falls on Baker.
Defense was awful against Ole Miss, Vanderbilt and Texas A&M. The only 3 teams that have an offense and are still ranked at this juncture of the season.
Even looking at first half drives for all 3 teams:
16 total drives:
4 punts, 3 turnovers, 1 4th down stop.
2 FGs, 6 TDs allowed.
Those 3 teams were scoring 50% of the time against our defense in the first half alone when they are still relatively fresh.
I'm also tired of the offense being an excuse for the defense. Look at what Miles's defenses did with those offenses they had. They were incredible and it didn't matter what type of performance the offense put out.
Defense was awful against Ole Miss, Vanderbilt and Texas A&M. The only 3 teams that have an offense and are still ranked at this juncture of the season.
Even looking at first half drives for all 3 teams:
16 total drives:
4 punts, 3 turnovers, 1 4th down stop.
2 FGs, 6 TDs allowed.
Those 3 teams were scoring 50% of the time against our defense in the first half alone when they are still relatively fresh.
I'm also tired of the offense being an excuse for the defense. Look at what Miles's defenses did with those offenses they had. They were incredible and it didn't matter what type of performance the offense put out.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:59 am to LSUholddatTiga
Didn't play complimentary football
. Defense to me did all it could but the offense could never give them a break.
Watching that Vandy game was the final point for me. Being down and still had a chance to come back.
Watching that Vandy game was the final point for me. Being down and still had a chance to come back.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:12 am to LSUholddatTiga
I dont understand why all of you are so enamored with a coach who ONLY blitzs to have "good defenses".
Everything is some exotic blitz package, and sometimes we just need "bend dont break" zone defense to win games.
Everything is some exotic blitz package, and sometimes we just need "bend dont break" zone defense to win games.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:16 am to Sheriff Brackett
The difference in those Miles offenses is they were ball control and could actually move the ball. We got frustrated because they weren’t explosive…but it was a RB factory. Sans Bama, no one could really stop his offenses from moving the ball. This situation has been different in that it’s repetitive 3 and outs so the D is seeing so many more snaps because the O isn’t moving the sticks.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:17 am to LSUholddatTiga
With the way this season completely unraveled and the rumors that BK wasn’t connected with his players, I just can’t put any real judgement on the D. There are too many variables that could have had a negative impact on literally everything football related. I was not as hard on BK as a lot of people were early on but holy shite was I blinded.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:19 am to LSUholddatTiga
The next coach can decide that, but the entire program needs a flushing if one is objective. Baker's defense has been impaired by one of the worst offenses in CFB, but he had struggled to control a good offense.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:24 am to asig99
Agreed on the ball control, but outside of the first two possessions of the Ole Miss game, have you really been impressed with how the D has played?
The game is just getting started and you've already given up 14 points to Vanderbilt and A&M on their first two possessions, and you're putting your offense in an even worse spot.
Vanderbilt and A&M basically scored almost every possession through the game, and that is inexcusable.
A&M's drive chart against us dating back to when Marcel Reed entered the game is sickening.
The game is just getting started and you've already given up 14 points to Vanderbilt and A&M on their first two possessions, and you're putting your offense in an even worse spot.
Vanderbilt and A&M basically scored almost every possession through the game, and that is inexcusable.
A&M's drive chart against us dating back to when Marcel Reed entered the game is sickening.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:27 am to LSUholddatTiga
He’s not good defending running QBs. Too stubborn in that regard.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:29 am to LSUholddatTiga
The offense sucking is such a weak arse excuse for this defense.
The offense sucked in the games it performed well in too. Florida for instance ran more plays and had a longer TOP than Ole miss.
And then there’s this vs A&M:
LSU’s offense goes on a 4min 9 play TD drive the 3rd series of the game…
What’s the defense do to follow? Give up a 10 play 5 min scoring drive with 2 3rd and long conversions. This defense is undisciplined and can’t get off the field vs an offense with any pulse.
What’s the excuse here?
The offense sucked in the games it performed well in too. Florida for instance ran more plays and had a longer TOP than Ole miss.
And then there’s this vs A&M:
LSU’s offense goes on a 4min 9 play TD drive the 3rd series of the game…
What’s the defense do to follow? Give up a 10 play 5 min scoring drive with 2 3rd and long conversions. This defense is undisciplined and can’t get off the field vs an offense with any pulse.
What’s the excuse here?
This post was edited on 11/3/25 at 9:30 am
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:55 am to IM_4_LSU
Perk is getting paid too much to be on the bench, college football is a business
Posted on 11/3/25 at 10:03 am to LSUholddatTiga
Everybody struggles with good dual threat QBs. Chambliss lit Kirby up. Reed lit Freeman up.
The long Reed TD run Baker had the perfect call on with Perkins spying. Perk has no discipline at times and allowed Green to get free. Same thing on the first TD of second half. Perk is the spy but peaks at crossers instead of doing his job.
Vandy game. We had unblocked blitzes getting to Pavia all game. They just couldn’t get him on the ground. One play Woodland takes the wrong angle and attacks Pavia front shoulder while he should be attacking his outside shoulder. Pavia spun Pyburn around one time and made him look silly. Losing Reliford really hurt in the pass rush department because he’s athletic enough to get dudes on the ground.
It’s obvious Kelly lost the team. And along with that we lost the attention to detail needed to play good defense.
The long Reed TD run Baker had the perfect call on with Perkins spying. Perk has no discipline at times and allowed Green to get free. Same thing on the first TD of second half. Perk is the spy but peaks at crossers instead of doing his job.
Vandy game. We had unblocked blitzes getting to Pavia all game. They just couldn’t get him on the ground. One play Woodland takes the wrong angle and attacks Pavia front shoulder while he should be attacking his outside shoulder. Pavia spun Pyburn around one time and made him look silly. Losing Reliford really hurt in the pass rush department because he’s athletic enough to get dudes on the ground.
It’s obvious Kelly lost the team. And along with that we lost the attention to detail needed to play good defense.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 10:57 am to LSUholddatTiga
quote:
but I believe baker has been & can field an elite defense with complementary football on the other side of the ball. players really enjoy playing for him
My only complaint on Baker is I feel he has been too aggressive on blitz calls lately. I felt he needed to throw some rush 3, drop 8 calls in the mix vs aTm to mix things up some. That is an adjustment rather than performance deficit
Posted on 11/3/25 at 11:36 am to LSU817
quote:
Perk is getting paid too much to be on the bench, college football is a business
Well unfortunately he being on the field is hurting the team and the defense. Hes a liability everytime he steps foot on the field.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:44 pm to Sheriff Brackett
Oh I 100% agree with you on that regard. I DO wonder what impact HP had with his lack of fire. And I was one who was adamant that HP was freeing up the LBs to do their thing, especially since we’d seen Keys do well replacing Whit earlier in the season. The regression of HP has been huge but it doesn’t help Baker that he’s historically struggled with mobile QBs. Makes me wonder how much work they get in against MVB to even get ready for a mobile guy. That Arky game may as well be a job interview for Baker.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:46 pm to LSUholddatTiga
I'm not gonna judge Baker til I see what he can do while Kelly is gone.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 12:48 pm to LSUholddatTiga
New boss is gonna have a dc in mind. That’s just part of the deal and every coordinator knows it
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