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Zion and Trey Murphy are not a Good Enough 1-2 Punch in this league to lead a Playoff Team
Posted on 10/25/25 at 1:00 am
Posted on 10/25/25 at 1:00 am
Zion has gotten in better shape. Props to him. The issue is, his playstyle still doesn't fit the modern NBA. If Zion is your best player, you are constantly trading 2 pointers for 3 pointers with the other team and he can easily be neutralized by hacking. A) a foul isn't called. B) a foul is called, but he either makes 0 or 1 FT. C) By game 30, he's so beat up, he's more likely to be injured. I think Zion is a very low end number 1 in this league, in this era. He'd be better cast as a number 2 so he doesn't always have to batter inside 25 times a game to carry the load and somewhat have to rely on officiating and FT shooting rhythm to be truly effective.
Trey Murphy is a very hot and cold outside shooter. He's also a hot and cold defender and creator. He's a very inconsistent player. He's better cast as the 4th best player on a great team than the 2nd best player.
The good news. Jordan Poole seems like a reasonable 3rd option on a team. Saddiq Bey is also a winning player. D Queen and J Fears appear to be very useful rookies with upside.
I'd be very tempted to trade Zion and Trey Murphy while they are both healthy. We clearly are a bottom 8-10 team with those 2 as our best players and I do not see that changing this season. Might as well squeeze good trade value out of them while we can, recoup a pick or 2 for this very loaded 2026 draft and attempt to build around Fears,Queen, and 2026 and other future draft picks. I'd also consider trading Herb Jones for the right package. I love him, but he's another inconsistent player, that has become a little bit overrated defensively.
This team is going nowhere this season or next as currently constructed. We need to be honest with ourselves and try to set ourselves up for the future.
Trey Murphy is a very hot and cold outside shooter. He's also a hot and cold defender and creator. He's a very inconsistent player. He's better cast as the 4th best player on a great team than the 2nd best player.
The good news. Jordan Poole seems like a reasonable 3rd option on a team. Saddiq Bey is also a winning player. D Queen and J Fears appear to be very useful rookies with upside.
I'd be very tempted to trade Zion and Trey Murphy while they are both healthy. We clearly are a bottom 8-10 team with those 2 as our best players and I do not see that changing this season. Might as well squeeze good trade value out of them while we can, recoup a pick or 2 for this very loaded 2026 draft and attempt to build around Fears,Queen, and 2026 and other future draft picks. I'd also consider trading Herb Jones for the right package. I love him, but he's another inconsistent player, that has become a little bit overrated defensively.
This team is going nowhere this season or next as currently constructed. We need to be honest with ourselves and try to set ourselves up for the future.
This post was edited on 10/25/25 at 1:02 am
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Posted on 10/25/25 at 1:07 am to 3PieceSpicy
Agreed. We’ve been delaying the inevitable with the restart. However you can’t trade them until this summer. Dumars isn’t going to look like an idiot again and have that pick land top 3 this summer. But I do think you begin the rebuild and trade guys like Trey and Zion summer 2026. Maybe Herb if the value is there.
Giannis should leave the bucks after this year and we’ll have a good shot at a top pick in 2027. If both fall top 4 we keep both.
Giannis should leave the bucks after this year and we’ll have a good shot at a top pick in 2027. If both fall top 4 we keep both.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 1:39 am to Macintosh
Lucky for us this 2026 draft is so good getting a top 3 pick gets you a franchise player to add to Fears and Queen while 2027 draft is arse.
Nevermind, we traded our 2026 pick in a historic draft.
Best bet is to firesale around all Star break for a desperate team with hopes of getting a lotto pick back this season and getting some Dallas luck aka its not happening lol
Nevermind, we traded our 2026 pick in a historic draft.
Best bet is to firesale around all Star break for a desperate team with hopes of getting a lotto pick back this season and getting some Dallas luck aka its not happening lol
Posted on 10/25/25 at 1:54 am to Silverfoxx
Yall are the so hung up on the prospect of the pick ending up top 3 (I think it is unlikely anyways) but if Queen keeps developing at this rate, we would be thrilled with getting a player like him with a top 3 pick. Fears and Queen can change this franchise because we added a floor general PG and an offensive hub like Queen in the same draft. Queen has already proven he can make some advanced reads and he will only get better. Dumars has some balls, it would have been easy to draft Fears and then sit on his hands and wait around til 2026 for another shot. He went and got his guy, and his guy looks pretty good.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 2:09 am to spaghettioeauxs
I don't know how after the way things turned out last season that people still talk themselves into believing that if we still owned our 2026 pick that it's guaranteed to fall in the top 5. We won 21 games and got jumped by 3 teams one of which we was in a tank death match the last month of the season to finish with better odds than them and they still jumped us to keep there pick. After what happened last year you can't tell me the draft lottery is not rigged.
We where fortunate that it was a deep draft and a player of Fears caliber was there at 7.
We where fortunate that it was a deep draft and a player of Fears caliber was there at 7.
Posted on 10/25/25 at 4:27 am to 3PieceSpicy
I would not make any moves right now. The 1st part of this season was always going to be a struggle with all the new faces. We basically played 8 people tonight, 2 are rookies. Hopefully we get some people back and get some depth. See how it develops over the next couple of months..
Posted on 10/25/25 at 9:42 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Its been 2 games dude, chill.
Posted on 10/26/25 at 12:40 am to LSUPilot07
It's year 7 w Zion and Year 5 with Trey.
We have plenty of data to support that Zion isn't a winning 1 and Trey isn't a winning 2. Look at every other team and list their best and 2nd best player. Who are we ahead of in that respect? Washington? Utah? Portland? Charlotte? Sacramento?
It's time to shake things up all of the way. We did the right thing by getting rid of Griff, CJ and Ingram. It's time to clean the rest of the losers from this organization.
We have plenty of data to support that Zion isn't a winning 1 and Trey isn't a winning 2. Look at every other team and list their best and 2nd best player. Who are we ahead of in that respect? Washington? Utah? Portland? Charlotte? Sacramento?
It's time to shake things up all of the way. We did the right thing by getting rid of Griff, CJ and Ingram. It's time to clean the rest of the losers from this organization.
This post was edited on 10/26/25 at 12:41 am
Posted on 10/26/25 at 6:30 am to LSUPilot07
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Its been 2 games dude, chill.
Yes.
A game that went to overtime and another in which we were ahead at the half and tied in the 4th quarter. I really don't get the Chicken Little stuff.
All of you knew that trading BI meant that we would be doing some kind of rebuild this year. We could do a long rebuild by also trading Zion, but his value was such that we would likely wouldn't have gotten very much from him.
So, we opted for a soft rebuild and accelerated that process by using next year's draft pick this year. The goal this season is to be a playoff team as Fears and Queen develop, with the goal of contending in the near future.
And I still think that is likely. Y'all, Fears and Queen are going to get a whole lot better as the season progresses. Queen was only able to fully participate in a couple of practices before he was thrown into the action. Fears just turned 19 and still has a growing body.
OP is just insane. This is completely nuts:
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I'd be very tempted to trade Zion and Trey Murphy while they are both healthy. We clearly are a bottom 8-10 team with those 2 as our best players and I do not see that changing this season. Might as well squeeze good trade value out of them while we can, recoup a pick or 2 for this very loaded 2026 draft and attempt to build around Fears,Queen, and 2026 and other future draft picks. I'd also consider trading Herb Jones for the right package. I love him, but he's another inconsistent player, that has become a little bit overrated defensively.
This team is going nowhere this season or next as currently constructed.
The complete opposite of all of that.
If Fears and Queen are Good enough to build around—and they are— then they need to develop on a decent team. Trading Zion or Trey for picks would mean that we would have a truly terrible team next season. Many, many potentially great players fail to develop properly on bad teams because they end up trying to do too much, play out of their roles, and develop bad habits. Trading Zion and/or Trey would be one of the best ways to potentially ruin Fears and Queen and condemn us to a lost decade or so.
So, the only reason to trade Zion or Trey would be if we decided that they weren't good fits with Fears and Queen, and I think we're a long way from any such determination.
Posted on 10/26/25 at 1:41 pm to LSUPilot07
quote:Or... 6+ years...
Its been 2 games dude, chill.
Posted on 10/26/25 at 1:55 pm to shel311
But this year is different Shelly!
Posted on 10/26/25 at 2:18 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:It's kind of amazing how the same exact posters every single season are the last ones to figure it out.
But this year is different Shelly!
Posted on 10/26/25 at 8:44 pm to 3PieceSpicy
The obvious trade is Murray. The emergence of Fears means that Murray will not be our starting PG.
Murray wants to be a PG. He wasn't happy playing off-ball in Atlanta. If he comes back and is anything like his old self, we would be able to move him and replace him with a guard who's an elite shooter, which is what we need to play with Fears and Zion.
Murray wants to be a PG. He wasn't happy playing off-ball in Atlanta. If he comes back and is anything like his old self, we would be able to move him and replace him with a guard who's an elite shooter, which is what we need to play with Fears and Zion.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:35 am to GOP_Tiger
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OP is just insane
You can blame that on the Zion and Griff era. Look, we both want this team to be good. I actually enjoy watching Zion play for the most part. He's undoubtedly a fun and unique player, especially when he tries. I just think we have a large enough sample size to move on at this point. He's historically injured or overweight 50-90% of the time. This is a rare time where he's in shape and healthy. I think it's advisable to trade him now. Even if Fears and Queen are better than expected in year 1 or 2, it's hard to compare our roster to the rest of the West and honestly say it's better than being the 11th or 12th best roster.
We need to bottom out like OKC did a few years ago. Even though that turmoil, SGA still developed into quite a player, so it is possible to improve and develop winning habits on a bad team. (Fears and Queen)
We both want the same thing for the team. We just have different ideas on how to get them there. I wish we wouldn't have traded the Indy pick and our pick. But we did. I don't think that means we have to double down and try our hardest to be mediocre.
I think a Zion trade and maybe even a Herb or Trey trade could reset us with young talent to surround Fears and Queen. If we trade Zion to Atlanta, perhaps we can get our 2026 pick back. They also have nice prospects such as Jalen Johnson, Z Risacher, Onyeka, Dyson...
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:34 am to 3PieceSpicy
If Fears and Queen are both good enough to be quality starters next season (and that looks to be the case), why would you want to surround them with more youth? Two starters on rookie-scale contracts (three if we count Missi as a quality starter by next season) is plenty to make the money work out.
The best way to develop young players is to get them into the playoffs, not to surround them with a bunch of other draft picks learning to play the game.
The best way to develop young players is to get them into the playoffs, not to surround them with a bunch of other draft picks learning to play the game.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 9:26 am to GOP_Tiger
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Murray wants to be a PG. He wasn't happy playing off-ball in Atlanta. If he comes back and is anything like his old self, we would be able to move him and replace him with a guard who's an elite shooter, which is what we need to play with Fears and Zion
I don't agree with this. If we are replacing someone with a guard who's an elite shooter than it should be Poole as that is the 1 to 1 swap. Murray can average 5+ rebounds and assists a game and can be a very good to elite level defender.
If we are trading for an elite shooter than Poole is not the answer and I'd rather trade him and have (2) floor generals to run the offense at all times between Murray/ Fears > keep Poole as a PG and add someone to take his place.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 2:01 pm to Dantheman504
Poole is on a bad contract. We'd have to attach picks to dump him, and we already don't have next year's pick, so we aren't doing that, so we aren't trading him this season.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:49 am to 3PieceSpicy
Bump. My assessment of this team's chances w Z and Trey as main characters was pretty spot on after 2 games. Out of the 6-7 strong takes I made in this heavily downvoted post, the only incorrect one was about Poole. He's been disappointing as well through 22 games of the season.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 5:51 am
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:04 am to GOP_Tiger
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develop bad habits
Zion cannot help Fears and Green to have a good 3 point shoot or just be a good shooter overall.
He cannoy help them to stay fit.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:18 am to 3PieceSpicy
You bumped a post because one guy disagreed with you?
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