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Crazy everyone wants to waste a high draft pick on a qb again
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:09 am
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:09 am
When the smart, new trend is to recycle highly drafted QBs that failed on shite organizations surrounded with no talent.
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Geno, and now you can add Daniel Jones and Mac Jones to the list. Wentz, who I also said we should have signed in the offseason for the vet min, also put up over a 100 qb rating in 2 of his 3 starts this year.
Cost those teams nothing to add them. Sometimes it takes QBs longer for the game to slow down, good coaching and the right supporting cast to prosper.
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Geno, and now you can add Daniel Jones and Mac Jones to the list. Wentz, who I also said we should have signed in the offseason for the vet min, also put up over a 100 qb rating in 2 of his 3 starts this year.
Cost those teams nothing to add them. Sometimes it takes QBs longer for the game to slow down, good coaching and the right supporting cast to prosper.
This post was edited on 10/16/25 at 10:11 am
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Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:13 am to Townedrunkard
So give Tyler and Ratt the time to develop too.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:16 am to Townedrunkard
I'm in the "try every singe QB option until you find your guy" camp. Bring in high draft picks, low draft picks, free agent castoffs and even RV campers who can throw balls over mountains. I don't care. This is THE most critical position on any team, so you do whatever it takes to find the right player. End of story.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:19 am to Midget Death Squad
Two Things are clear.
Spencer Rattler is developing into a solid quarterback that both needs to improve in a few areas and has elite skills in other areas.
Two: Shough is probably a hall of fame future that Kellen is not ready to put the league on notice yet. He likely wants to build Rattler's trade value as high as possible.
Spencer Rattler is developing into a solid quarterback that both needs to improve in a few areas and has elite skills in other areas.
Two: Shough is probably a hall of fame future that Kellen is not ready to put the league on notice yet. He likely wants to build Rattler's trade value as high as possible.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:25 am to Townedrunkard
Saints already dialed that number with Crab Legs Winston. Just doesn’t always work out with these guys.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:26 am to Chad504boy
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Two Things are clear.
Spencer Rattler is developing into a solid quarterback that both needs to improve in a few areas and has elite skills in other areas.
Two: Shough is probably a hall of fame future that Kellen is not ready to put the league on notice yet. He likely wants to build Rattler's trade value as high as possible.
1: I fully agree. He is showing a ton of promise
2: interesting theory, and I am on board with this is this is the case
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:33 am to goatmilker
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So give Tyler and Ratt the time to develop too
I didn’t want Shough, could have filled one of the massive holes all over with #40. I preferred to see what Ratt gives you and bring in a vet to compete for cheap if he falters. Two that fit that criteria were Wentz and Pickett. But Ratt should have been given a year with starting calibur talent to see what he is.
Yea now, there’s no point in bringing in any qb. I hope Shough stays glued to the bench just so we don’t draft a qb early next year. Maybe he improves more after sitting a year like Ratt.
This post was edited on 10/16/25 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:35 am to Townedrunkard
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I didn’t want Shough, could have filled one of the massive holes all over with #40. I preferred to see what Ratt gives you and bring in a vet to compete for cheap if he falters. Two that fit that criteria were Wentz and Pickett. But Ratt should have been given a year with starting calibur talent to see what he is.
Yea now, there’s no point in bringing in any qb. I hope Shough stays glued to the bench just so we don’t draft a qb early next year.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 10:35 am to Townedrunkard
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When the smart, new trend is to recycle highly drafted QBs that failed on shite organizations surrounded with no talent.
They’re still highly drafted, as are all the highly drafted guys tearing up the league. If you trust your staff to rehab a guy than you should your staff to nail an early pick
Posted on 10/16/25 at 11:00 am to Townedrunkard
If we have a top 5 pick you have to go for a high impact player on the defensive front. Someone who can play run and get after the QB. That will free up the rest of our defense. I like the Bain guy from Miami.
I would like to see us bring in another quarterback to compete and push the other two. Look for a guy like Mac Jones or equivalent who wants to take a prove it deal and resurrect their career. Or you take a flyer in the draft in the middle rounds. Sorsby from Cincinnati has really good film. Green from Arkansas is a freak talent.
I would like to see us bring in another quarterback to compete and push the other two. Look for a guy like Mac Jones or equivalent who wants to take a prove it deal and resurrect their career. Or you take a flyer in the draft in the middle rounds. Sorsby from Cincinnati has really good film. Green from Arkansas is a freak talent.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 11:08 am to Townedrunkard
Let's just say all thing go perfectly this upcoming draft and we stick with Rattler/Shough. We somehow knock it out with getting Bain (DE), Brazzell (WR), and Slaughter (OG) in the first 3 rounds.
Assuming the appropriate retires, we'd need to then find the replacements for LB (Davis). There are some improvements we'd still need overall, but it would be a step closer to being a more well rounded team.
Assuming the appropriate retires, we'd need to then find the replacements for LB (Davis). There are some improvements we'd still need overall, but it would be a step closer to being a more well rounded team.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 11:34 am to Townedrunkard
If you draft a QB high, he's more likely to be a "bust" than not.
If you want a franchise QB, you're far more likely to get that thru Draft over FA or Trades. That's why Arizona drafted a QB in the first 2 years in a row. Its far more likely to hit in a 1st rounder than any other way.
Turns out, there are only a handful of guys that are franchise QBs and selecting one is incredibly difficult
If they think they have "the guy" with their first pick, they should pick him. If not, take best available. to your point, Mickey hasn't done a lot to help the situation roster-wise. They need to cut the fat on vets on big contracts.
If you want a franchise QB, you're far more likely to get that thru Draft over FA or Trades. That's why Arizona drafted a QB in the first 2 years in a row. Its far more likely to hit in a 1st rounder than any other way.
Turns out, there are only a handful of guys that are franchise QBs and selecting one is incredibly difficult
If they think they have "the guy" with their first pick, they should pick him. If not, take best available. to your point, Mickey hasn't done a lot to help the situation roster-wise. They need to cut the fat on vets on big contracts.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 11:43 am to Townedrunkard
it's crazy how Carolina had two bites at that apple and didn't even realize it with Baker and Sam Darnold.
And now it's kind of still up in the air if Bryce Young is that guy? I mean they've been handing it to their new bell cow RB Rico Dowdle and pretty much riding him to victory lately.
And now it's kind of still up in the air if Bryce Young is that guy? I mean they've been handing it to their new bell cow RB Rico Dowdle and pretty much riding him to victory lately.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 11:51 am to Townedrunkard
Build through the trenches and secondary.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:16 pm to bayou85
In what round are your odds better at finding a starting qb than the first?
This post was edited on 10/16/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:20 pm to Chad504boy
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Shough is probably a hall of fame future that Kellen is not ready to put the league on notice yet. He likely wants to build Rattler's trade value as high as possible.
I’ll file this in Chad504boy hot takes that never are true folder.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:25 pm to goatmilker
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In what round are your odds better at finding a starting qb than the first?
from my post:
quote:speaking specifically of franchise QBs.
Its far more likely to hit in a 1st rounder than any other way.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:34 pm to Townedrunkard
Look, I don’t think Rattler will ever be a top 10 QB. But I think he could be 12-15 and you don’t get there unless you give him time.
The bigger issue is the lack of playmakers. We need them at WR, TE, LB, EDG, CB. We need to put more talent around Rattler
The bigger issue is the lack of playmakers. We need them at WR, TE, LB, EDG, CB. We need to put more talent around Rattler
Posted on 10/16/25 at 12:40 pm to Townedrunkard
Go get the best DE in the draft.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 1:00 pm to bayou85
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