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U.S. attorney resisting Trump's pressure to charge James

Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:44 pm
Posted by bigjoe1
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:44 pm
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A top federal prosecutor in Virginia is resisting pressure from President Donald Trump to seek a criminal indictment of New York Attorney General Letitia James, a longtime antagonist of Trump, MSNBC reported Monday.

The prosecutor, Elizabeth Yusi, works in the U.S. Attorney’s Office Eastern District of Virginia, which recently obtained an indictment of another target of Trump’s ire, former FBI Director James Comey.

“Yusi, who oversees major criminal prosecutions in the Norfolk office of the Eastern District of Virginia, has confided to co-workers that she sees no probable cause to believe James engaged in mortgage fraud, the two sources told MSNBC,” according to MSNBC’s report.
CNBC
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:46 pm to
Setting everything political aside, proving intent in these types of cases is not easy. It’s not shocking that prosecutors are hesitant to take it on
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 3:46 pm
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:46 pm to
How can there be no probably cause when she had two homes listed as primary?
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:46 pm to
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confided to co-workers that she sees no probable cause to believe James engaged in mortgage fraud


Except, you know the black and white copies of the mortgage paperwork itself.
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:48 pm to
This means we can claim all of our homes as primary residence to save tens of thousands of dollars in interest.

THAT IS AWESOME!!
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:48 pm to
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A top federal prosecutor in Virginia
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:48 pm to
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:49 pm to
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How can there be no probably cause when she had two homes listed as primary?

“I didn’t know what I did was wrong”

Now prove she did.

ETA: I’m not saying she didn’t know. Of course she did. Everyone who does this knows. Proving that they knew and acted with intent to defraud to a jury is a different matter.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 3:51 pm
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:50 pm to
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Indefatigable


Posted by bigjoe1
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:51 pm to
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How can there be no probably cause when she had two homes listed as primary?


Her lawyer is quoted in the article showing exculpatory evidence.
I mean if it's open and shut empanel a grand jury and indict her and lisa Cook.
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:51 pm to
Last time I checked you don’t have to know you broke the law to break the law.
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:51 pm to
I’m not being contrarian. She obviously knew.

I’m just pointing out that there’s a reason no one wants to touch some of these cases and the reasons are not entirely political. There’s other, reasonable reasons as well.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:52 pm to
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proving intent


Is ignorance of the laws a valid excuse?

Moreso, is it a believable excuse for a state Attorney General?

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:52 pm to
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Last time I checked you don’t have to know you broke the law to break the law.

Correct. But intent to defraud is an element of mortgage fraud.

Proving intent is never easy, particularly in financial crimes.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:53 pm to
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confided to co-workers that she sees no probable cause to believe James engaged in mortgage fraud,


By the standards James used to prosecute Trump, the only cause necessary is that you don't like him and hes still breathing.

Gidduyup
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:53 pm to
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“I didn’t know what I did was wrong”

Now prove she did.


If one claims that they did not know that an act is a crime, does the crime not apply to them?

Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:53 pm to
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quote:
confided to co-workers that she sees no probable cause to believe James engaged in mortgage fraud


Except, you know the black and white copies of the mortgage paperwork itself.


BTW, lack of evidence/probable cause didnt stop James from going after Trump.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:53 pm to
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Is ignorance of the laws a valid excuse? Moreso, is it a believable excuse for a state Attorney General?

Sometimes yes. Intent is an element to this particular crime.

I’m not defending James. Only pointing out that there’s prosecution isn’t as easy as saying that she claimed a second primary residence.
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:53 pm to
So if I shoot somebody breaking into my car and have no idea that’s against the law they’ll let me go?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:54 pm to
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If one claims that they did not know that an act is a crime, does the crime not apply to them?

Intent to defraud is an element of this crime.
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