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Inflation was 300% higher from 1975 to 2000 than 2000 to 2025
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:05 pm
$1 in 1975 was worth $3.32 in 2000. A 232% increase in inflation
$1 in 2000 is worth $1.87 in 2025. An 87% increase in inflation.
If you calculate percent difference, inflation was nearly 150% worse in that time span (232-87=~150). If you calculate the percent delta increase of a percent, it was nearly 300% higher (232/87=~3x)
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When you realize that the S&P 500 didn't gain a single cent from 1999 to 2012, and has since nearly 5x'd since 2012. If you have some earnings to invest or a 401k, it really hasn't been that bad in the last 12 years. It's actually frightening considering how well SP500 has done the past decade verse what it did in 1999 to 2012, how much higher can it really go.
My theory is that as the world advances, the more money people have to invest. In 1999, no one outside the US and Europe for retail investing had money to invest. That's a past decade-ish thing. So I don't think you see S&P 500 with no growth over 13 years like it did 1999-2012 because more countries like China are starting to get retail investors.
Anyways, just pointing the fact out that 1975 to 2000 had it significantly worse than 2000 to 2025. I'm sure maybe there are some on this board that will remember the 1980 inflation spike.
$1 in 2000 is worth $1.87 in 2025. An 87% increase in inflation.
If you calculate percent difference, inflation was nearly 150% worse in that time span (232-87=~150). If you calculate the percent delta increase of a percent, it was nearly 300% higher (232/87=~3x)
LINK
When you realize that the S&P 500 didn't gain a single cent from 1999 to 2012, and has since nearly 5x'd since 2012. If you have some earnings to invest or a 401k, it really hasn't been that bad in the last 12 years. It's actually frightening considering how well SP500 has done the past decade verse what it did in 1999 to 2012, how much higher can it really go.
My theory is that as the world advances, the more money people have to invest. In 1999, no one outside the US and Europe for retail investing had money to invest. That's a past decade-ish thing. So I don't think you see S&P 500 with no growth over 13 years like it did 1999-2012 because more countries like China are starting to get retail investors.
Anyways, just pointing the fact out that 1975 to 2000 had it significantly worse than 2000 to 2025. I'm sure maybe there are some on this board that will remember the 1980 inflation spike.
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 5:16 pm
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:10 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
Not for houses, automobiles, and higher education , all of which absorb a major portion of one's income
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:11 pm to East Coast Band
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Not for houses, automobiles, and higher education , all of which absorb a major portion of one's income
CPI takes into account everything by weighted volume of expenditures
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:13 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
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that will remember the 1980 inflation spike.
When I graduated HS, unemployment in my area was close to 20%, and interest rates were in double digits. Most people didnt notice the inflation so much as they couldnt afford anything.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
and gas cost almost as much as it does now
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:19 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
I think oil and gas flat prices for decades contibutes at least some to this. Oil was $65 a barrel in 2005/2006. Today it is $60. Natural Gas was $5 an mcf in 2005. It's now $3.40 an mcf. Fracking exploding volumes to the market has kept prices flat for decades.
Nat gas was 70% more expensive in 2000 than 2025.
Nat Gas Price history
Nat gas was 70% more expensive in 2000 than 2025.
Nat Gas Price history
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:23 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
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GREENBELT, MD—Comparing the prices of common household goods to what they were back in his younger days, local old man George Swander reportedly remembered Tuesday when things cost roughly the same as now after adjusting for inflation. “Back in my day, you see, you could get a hamburger for just 15 cents, which, when taking into account steady economic growth and the increase in federal monetary creation over time, is about the same as it is now,” said Swander, recalling that he used to be able to get by on just a few bucks a week that, in relative terms, equaled roughly the same amount that his expenses came out to today. “When I see how much even basic stuff like food and household items cost nowadays, I’m always shocked until I factor inflation into it, and then it’s just like I was back in 1954. Your dollar used to go about the same distance once you take overall adjusted economic growth into account, believe me.” The old man added that he even remembered when minimum-wage jobs paid roughly the same amount as they do now after seeing the hourly rate was exactly the same
The Onion
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:25 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
OK boomer.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:25 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
You know, when you throw a bunch of numbers around, they have these things called “graphs” that really do a great job of illustrating number-y things.
You should really look into them.
You should really look into them.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:29 pm to soccerfüt
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You know, when you throw a bunch of numbers around, they have these things called “graphs” that really do a great job of illustrating number-y things.
You should really look into them.
Someone's butthurt.
Someone also doesnt' realize that inflation is represented on an annual percent change which presenting that in a linear form graph does absolutely 0 bearing on presenting a cumalitve change from 1975 to 2000 vs 2000 to 2025. There's no way you'd look at a linear graph and say "Oh, that a 232% chance from 1975 to 2000 and a 87% change from 2000 to 2025". You'd just see lines going up and down.
You would probably see 1975 to 2000 is worse than 2000 to 2025, but you wouldn't likely guess the level of cumaltive worse if placed in linear graph format.
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:29 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
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Oil was $65 a barrel in 2005/2006. Today it is $60. Natural Gas was $5 an mcf in 2005
One thing to consider when looking oil/gas price from 20 years ago is Hurricane Katrina.
Katrina destroyed 47 platforms and 4 drilling rigs; extensively damaged 20 platforms and 9 drilling rigs; and shut in 95% of Gulf oil production and 88% of Gulf natural gas production
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:33 pm to TigerintheNO
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One thing to consider when looking oil/gas price from 20 years ago is Hurricane Katrina.
This was definitely a huge factor. But even looking at July 2005 prices, it was $60 a barrel which is the same as today.
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Nat Gas was $5 an Mcf in 2000, well before. It's $3.40 today.
Katrina definitely did make oil go up to $125+ a barrel after 2-3 years at least. Not sure if 3 year later, that outrageous price was Katina induced, or partially induced.
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:48 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
Oil is the one commodity that has been strangely resistant to inflation. I’m assuming it’s related to market dynamics and improvements to extraction productivity but I’m not sure.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:59 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
There's a lot of difference between now and then though.
One big difference is that inflation isn't calculated the same now as it was then. Things like OER, no weighting for groceries, etc have changed the formula enough that comparing inflation between the two periods is to compare apples to pecans.
Another difference is our standard of living. As the standard increases, so too does the cost. For most of the first period no one had data nor internet plans and a majority of households didn't even have cable until 1992.
We didn't have the ethanol mandate so we weren't causing food to cost so much.
I would go into it a bit more, but I just found out that company is coming over.
One big difference is that inflation isn't calculated the same now as it was then. Things like OER, no weighting for groceries, etc have changed the formula enough that comparing inflation between the two periods is to compare apples to pecans.
Another difference is our standard of living. As the standard increases, so too does the cost. For most of the first period no one had data nor internet plans and a majority of households didn't even have cable until 1992.
We didn't have the ethanol mandate so we weren't causing food to cost so much.
I would go into it a bit more, but I just found out that company is coming over.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:05 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
quote:Illustrate your point with a Venn diagram.
Someone's butthurt.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:07 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
OPEC
Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:11 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
Let's make a comparison of 25 yrs to 5 yrs and run with the numbers.
Sounds like something CNN would spew.
We can't have another 20 yrs like the last 5, which would give you a comparable time frame.
Sounds like something CNN would spew.
We can't have another 20 yrs like the last 5, which would give you a comparable time frame.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:15 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
How you’re defining inflation is the main factor of your opinion on it. What is your definition?
Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:26 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
Young people have no idea about inflation
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:27 pm to QuantraviousJefferso
Interested in wage growth over the same time frames.
How comparable is purchasing power?
How comparable is purchasing power?
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