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We have "Conservatives" that are actually closer to anarchist...
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:11 pm
You can see it in the TrumpRX thread.
Why they pretend, we may never know. Maybe they are totally confused. However, CONSERVATISM is not "no gov" involvement. It has never been that.
There are times when Gov does have to act. It should be limited however. Stepping in and telling a drug company that they can not gouge the American people because Europeans won't pay up is one of those times. Why should Roger pay for Pepe La Pew's fat shots?
There are also times the American gov has to protect things that are supply chains and national security risks. The medicine issue was exposed in 2020. That has to be corrected or we are at the mercy of every other nation that wants to put the screws to us.
Why they pretend, we may never know. Maybe they are totally confused. However, CONSERVATISM is not "no gov" involvement. It has never been that.
There are times when Gov does have to act. It should be limited however. Stepping in and telling a drug company that they can not gouge the American people because Europeans won't pay up is one of those times. Why should Roger pay for Pepe La Pew's fat shots?
There are also times the American gov has to protect things that are supply chains and national security risks. The medicine issue was exposed in 2020. That has to be corrected or we are at the mercy of every other nation that wants to put the screws to us.
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Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:16 pm to BCreed1
Capitalism requires government intervention to break up monopolies.
Conservatives job is to prevent overreach.
Conservatives job is to prevent overreach.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:37 pm to BCreed1
It's funny because a conservative's whole identity is reduction of government. That is, by nature, nearer to chaos.
Of course, in practice, almost all of us want a civil society... and sacrifice on pure freedom.
Of course, in practice, almost all of us want a civil society... and sacrifice on pure freedom.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:38 pm to BCreed1
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Maybe they are totally confused. However, CONSERVATISM is not "no gov" involvement. It has never been that.
it's the result of ideological purity tests. it's the other side of the same coin that has lefties saying men can get pregnant.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:39 pm to Corinthians420
that's correct
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:39 pm to m2pro
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It's funny because a conservative's whole identity is reduction of government. That is, by nature, nearer to chaos.
Of course, in practice, almost all of us want a civil society... and sacrifice on pure freedom.
Also correct. We do want limited gov, but it has a legit role
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:40 pm to BCreed1
Anarchy is as far RIGHT as the spectrum goes.
Socialism, Fascism and finally Communisn are as far left as the spectrum goes.
Socialism, Fascism and finally Communisn are as far left as the spectrum goes.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:40 pm to BCreed1
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CONSERVATISM is not "no gov" involvement. It has never been that.
American conservatism is the belief in a very strict view of the Constitution and striving to keep within the bounds of "original intent." Naturally, people who desire the federal government to be involved in every aspect of our lives would consider conservatives to be anarchists since we are very vocal about small, limited federal government.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:41 pm to Corinthians420
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Capitalism requires government intervention to break up monopolies.
Exactly. I wish the did that part of their job.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:42 pm to BCreed1
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Also correct. We do want limited gov, but it has a legit role
It has a legit role providing "public goods". Learn what a "public good" is.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:42 pm to m2pro
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It's funny because a conservative's whole identity is reduction of government. That is, by nature, nearer to chaos.
agreed. but too many conservatives are trying to outconservative others which eventually leads to someone staking their flag on a "no government at all" hill which is ridiculous and unfeasible. in a normally functioning society, the balance to that would be a reasonable opposition.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:42 pm to BCreed1
The OP clearly doesn't understand Conservatism.
Enjoy your pending socialism, slick
Enjoy your pending socialism, slick
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:44 pm to BCreed1
Anarchy is the ridiculous extreme of the right just like all forms of authoritarianism are the ridiculous extremes of the left.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:56 pm to Swamp Angel
Thats not what he is saying. He is saying that there is a point at which its no longer conservative. It become anarchy.
The people he is talking about have a history of going after Trump over anything gov related.
In our history, never has the GOP been no gov. An example is anti trust. To those posters that is gov over reach and it should never happen. Historically, that has never been the case.
Republican Senator John Sherman was the primary author of the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890, the first federal law to outlaw monopolies and anticompetitive practices.
Taft filed even more antitrust suits than Roosevelt, continuing the Republican Party's early legacy of aggressive antitrust enforcement.
A Trump example is this announcement today. He isn't picking winners and losers he is across the board that drug companies will charge the US citizen equally to what they sell it to the Europeans.
The people he is talking about have a history of going after Trump over anything gov related.
In our history, never has the GOP been no gov. An example is anti trust. To those posters that is gov over reach and it should never happen. Historically, that has never been the case.
Republican Senator John Sherman was the primary author of the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890, the first federal law to outlaw monopolies and anticompetitive practices.
Taft filed even more antitrust suits than Roosevelt, continuing the Republican Party's early legacy of aggressive antitrust enforcement.
A Trump example is this announcement today. He isn't picking winners and losers he is across the board that drug companies will charge the US citizen equally to what they sell it to the Europeans.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:00 pm to m2pro
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It's funny because a conservative's whole identity is reduction of government. That is, by nature, nearer to chaos.
This is oversimplification to the point of falseness.
Conservatism’s goal is to shorten the distance and layers between the governed and the governors.
Local legislation and control is great.
My HOA is pretty authoritarian. But I’m mostly fine with it because it is fewer than 200 homes, similar owners with a vested stake and therefore far more responsive to the real needs of our community.
My city is less authoritarian. But far more authoritarian than my state.
Saying conservatism will always favor less government in favor of more is a dumb proposition.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:The problem is US medicine is virtually socialized. The government controls care, reimbursement, and insurance. In that model, the way to profit is via government influence.
The OP clearly doesn't understand Conservatism.
Were that not the case, you'd have a point.
Pharma has long taken advantage of its control of government through lobbying, benefitting from those government controls.
Retail Canadian pharmaceuticals were so much cheaper than US wholesale prices that US drugstores appealed for permission to buy from Canadian retailers instead of US wholesale distributors. Thanks to Pharma lobbying, the effort was shot down. That is not "free market" stuff, Rog.
Drugs overseas in some instances are marketed at multiples lower than in the US. No "free market" works that way.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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The problem is US medicine is virtually socialized.
More socialization isnt going to help that situation.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Correct. So why do you want more socialization?
More socialization isnt going to help that situation.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It does. In this case, they are drawing a line to protect the US citizen from unfair practices.
The GOP did not remove the ACA and they never will.
So why screw the American people twice?
The GOP did not remove the ACA and they never will.
So why screw the American people twice?
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:07 pm to NC_Tigah
Yeah... going to love the response
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