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Houston teachers union seeks injunction against pay raises, angry it’s not seniority based
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:37 am
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Shocking news. Protecting their members at the expense of the students.
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:39 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:40 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Should be a merit based system.
I don't see how a seniority based system does that.
I don't see how a seniority based system does that.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:43 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I can see their point... it is long established that teachers are considered on years in service.
Also.. what are the evaluation metrics?
I'd be nervous if half my class was IEP, 40% was ESL and I was judged on how I can get good test results out of that. Especially considering such wonderful programs aa least restrictive environment and restorative justice.
Anyway... I'm glad I'm not a teacher.
Also.. what are the evaluation metrics?
I'd be nervous if half my class was IEP, 40% was ESL and I was judged on how I can get good test results out of that. Especially considering such wonderful programs aa least restrictive environment and restorative justice.
Anyway... I'm glad I'm not a teacher.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:45 am to TrueTiger
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Should be a merit based system. I don't see how a seniority based system does that.
Considering the teacher retention crisis, it isn't necessarily bad to reward those who stick with it. And merit is hard to evaluate in today's classrooms.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:49 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Raises?? If they base them of evals, then there are some teachers who will get a pay cut, if not terminated.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:50 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Seniority is a horrid system of advancement and reward. Work for any union and it becomes painfully clear.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:56 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I don't know how they measure merit but they do it very well. If you have a large school divided into Basic (illiterate) General (most kids) and Gifted (smartest kids) the GT teachers are demonstrably better than the other teachers.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
A union that fights against its members getting pay raises is the worst kind of Union I have ever heard of.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:12 am to SallysHuman
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Considering the teacher retention crisis, it isn't necessarily bad to reward those who stick with it.
Kind of backwards there. Senior teachers are more likely to stay because they already make more money and are vested, under better terms, in the retirement system than newer teachers. New teachers have nothing to lose by leaving early.
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And merit is hard to evaluate in today's classrooms.
Federally mandated accountability testing helps with that.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:22 am to shutterspeed
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Federally mandated accountability testing helps with that.
How does that work?
I honestly envision a classroom that over half the students have some limitations or others that even the brightest teacher can't overcome to be reflected in student testing.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:26 am to SallysHuman
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I honestly envision a classroom that over half the students have some limitations or others that even the brightest teacher can't overcome to be reflected in student testing.
That can be a tough deal for sure, but there are components like "growth of all students" and "growth of lowest performing students" that make the playing field a little more fair for less affluent schools.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:31 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Texas doesn’t have a “union” per se.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:39 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Did the same in the LA i. the 80s. “Education” has become nothing but a jobs program. No one cares about the kids. It’s sad.
The gap between a great teacher and a bad one is as wide as in any profession, yet their own union insists on treating them as interchangeable cogs in a machine.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:41 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Government unions suck arse.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:45 am to SallysHuman
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I honestly envision a classroom that over half the students have some limitations or others that even the brightest teacher can't overcome to be reflected in student testing.
And the biggest limitation is the student's parents not giving a rip.
You're correct in this discussion. If the student/parents don't care whether the child learns, he or she won't, no matter what the teacher does or doesn't do. It's amazing to me that people think "good teachers" will move the needle.
It's actually amazing to me that so many people haven't figured out that the compulsory mass education system is nothing more than a taxpayer funded babysitting and welfare distribution program so that both parents can work while someone else is watching their kids all day.
It's not really about learning. They would structure it completely differently if that's what it was about. It's just babysitting. Well, babysitting primarily, and now indoctrination in leftist ideology.
So sure. Pay the babysitters who have done it the longest the most.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:50 am to wackatimesthree
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You're correct in this discussion. If the student/parents don't care whether the child learns, he or she won't, no matter what the teacher does or doesn't do. It's amazing to me that people think "good teachers" will move the needle. It's actually amazing to me that so many people haven't figured out that the compulsory mass education system is nothing more than a taxpayer funded babysitting and welfare distribution program so that both parents can work while someone else is watching their kids all day.
All of this!
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:53 am to SallysHuman
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Also.. what are the evaluation metrics?
I'd be nervous if half my class was IEP, 40% was ESL and I was judged on how I can get good test results out of that.
That's a very tough question but maybe you could at least partially base it on the teacher's personal knowledge of the subject? I don't think that's a 100% answer but it seems fair for it to receive some consideration. And if you go down that road it's probably inevitable that high school STEM subjects would pay more than 2nd grade babysitting. That also seems fair.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:19 am to SallysHuman
quote:Hate to be cruel here, but why are we paying to “educated people with insurmountable disabilities?
I honestly envision a classroom that over half the students have some limitations or others that even the brightest teacher can't overcome to be reflected in student testing.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:19 am to TrueTiger
quote:how are you going to staff shitty schools?
Should be a merit based system.
I don't see how a seniority based system does that.
we all know it's the kids that make schools bad, not the teachers, so how does this work in practice ?
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