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Wage growth doing something odd in 2025, last time it happened was around Great Recession

Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:15 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:15 am
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Typically, wages grow at a faster clip each year for workers who switch jobs, compared to those who stay in their current role.

That makes sense: Workers generally leave a job when they find something better for them, which often includes a higher salary, according to labor economists.

But in 2025, the roles have reversed as workers, faced with a souring job market, shift from job-hopping to “job hugging” — that is, clinging to their current roles.

Annual wage growth for so-called “job stayers” has eclipsed that of “job switchers” for the past six months, since February, according to data tracked by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.

The margins aren’t huge: For example, in July, job stayers saw wages grow at a 4.1% annual pace, versus 4% for workers who switched jobs, according to the Atlanta Fed data.


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Since the late 1990s, a prolonged reversal in wage growth trends for job “switchers” versus “stayers” has only happened in periods around the Great Recession and the dot-com bust in the early 2000s, the Atlanta Fed data shows.

The last time a drawn-out reversal occurred was in and immediately following the Great Recession, during an 18-month period from February 2009 to July 2010, according to the data.

“We only tend to see it around other times when the labor market has been weak,” said Erica Groshen, a senior economics advisor at the Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations and former commissioner of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics from 2013 to 2017.


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Job openings had ballooned to historic highs in 2021 and 2022 as the U.S. economy awoke from its pandemic-era hibernation. Ample opportunity led workers to quit their jobs in record numbers for new employment, commanding big payouts from companies eager to attract talent.

Now, amid high interest rates and economic uncertainty, job openings have fallen and employers are hiring at their slowest pace in more than a decade.

“Maybe employers are not feeling that they need to offer their new workers higher wages in order to get them, and workers have lost some bargaining power in the labor market,” Groshen said.

The quits rate — the rate at which workers are voluntarily leaving their jobs — has also declined sharply. It has hovered around 2% since the start of the year, according to data from the U.S. Labor Department’s Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey. Outside of the initial days of the Covid-19 pandemic, levels haven’t been that consistently low since early 2016.


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Overall, the best way for workers to improve their wages in aggregate is still probably by switching jobs, Shrivastava.

“But the opportunity to switch your job right now is not really there,” she said.

There are ways for jobseekers to set themselves up for success in a tough hiring market, career experts said.

Among them: Find creative networking opportunities — conferences, seminars, lectures or book signings where other attendees are likely to be in your profession. Jobseekers can look internally for a new job placement, which may be easier than seeking out something external. They can focus on upskilling and reskilling to land a new job more easily when the market rebounds.


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Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:19 am to
Good. More people need to show loyalty to their company. Get there on time and shake your bosses hand. Get your pension. Attend the company picnics.
This post was edited on 8/24/25 at 9:20 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27179 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:21 am to
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Attend the company picnics.


Only if there's free booze.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66889 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:22 am to
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pension

What's this?

Signed,
every non boomer in the US
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27179 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:26 am to
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What's this?

Signed,
every non boomer in the US


There are still companies that do a pension, though it's not as common as it used to be. Several of the large oil companies will do a 401k match, but then also contribute into a separate fund an amount equal to a certain percentage of your salary, which you can't touch or borrow from until you leave.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20494 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:26 am to
Your sarcasm will be missed by many.
This post was edited on 8/24/25 at 9:27 am
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
147871 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:28 am to
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Get there on time and shake your bosses hand
Our they boss promotes personal space and would consider the toxic masculinity a micro aggression in our designated safe office environment.


Nice try trying to get me a visit to HR
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
9624 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:30 am to
I fell for it.
This post was edited on 8/24/25 at 9:33 am
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68802 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:32 am to
That's my bad. I switched jobs and took less money this year. Sucks for the discretionary budget, but did wonders for the morale and QOL.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27283 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:32 am to
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Wage growth doing something odd in 2025, last time it happened was around Great Recession

Trump needs to fire the people who compile statistics—STAT.
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
1348 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:34 am to
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More people need to show loyalty to their company.


But why?

No company more than a handful of employees has ever shown loyalty to an employee.

The expression is "it's just business". It implies that loyalty doesn't exist. Nor should it.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68802 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:37 am to
My experience tells me to be loyal to rocket ships, and at arms length with sinking ships. Those terms apply to both quantitative and qualitative measures.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
72749 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:38 am to
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Trump needs to fire the people who compile statistics—STAT.


says a Biden voter
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135103 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:42 am to
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Wage growth doing something odd in 2025, last time it happened was around Great Recession
Yep. Meanwhile, LFPR has continued to decline, and the job market for new grads has sucked since Covid. Not exactly the stuff of ""Full Employment"" the Fed has espoused while implementing monetary policy this year.
Posted by W2NOMO
Member since Jul 2025
1512 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:43 am to
Get work visas in control and purge illegals then give me a report. I really don’t know how they calculate.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135103 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 9:45 am to
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But why?
sarcasm
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
3088 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 1:06 pm to
That’s a lot of words to say the labor market decline is just one symptom of the tanking economy.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
6847 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 1:10 pm to
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Good. More people need to show loyalty to their company. Get there on time and shake your bosses hand. Get your pension. Attend the company picnics.


You must be old or trolling. Noone owes loyalty to the business. Just have to get yours.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16309 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 1:11 pm to
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More people need to show loyalty to their company.

Calm down Hank hill some of us like to not be poors.
This post was edited on 8/24/25 at 1:24 pm
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5826 posts
Posted on 8/24/25 at 1:22 pm to
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Get your pension. Attend the company picnics.


Yeah, workers should definitely show loyalty to be rewarded with things that don't exist.
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