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Dispensationalism is a Heresy

Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:05 pm
Posted by SkiUtah420
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:05 pm


Thank you for your attention this matter!

Posted by Prodigal Son
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:08 pm to
Guess that settles it.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:09 pm to
I’d say.
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:16 pm to
It's crazy that the Mid East Foreign Policy of the United States of America is dictated by a heretical religious doctrine.

I really don't think this video or any other video is going to change that, OP. I'm convinced that the USA is a Protestant country and it will do Protestant things such as providing complete, unquestioning and unconditional support for the State of Israel, because so many US politicians agree with Ted Cruz.

I am a very strong supporter of the State of Israel, but, not because of my religion. I strongly support Israel because they are surrounded by Islamic nations, and, Islamic nations are dangerous, violent, unpredictable and very often do the Devil's Own Work.

PS The video does not at all address the variation of this heresy called Dual Covenant Theology, which says that God never broke his Covenant with Mosaic Law Jews and that these Jews have Salvation by virtue of being faithful to the Mosaic Laws and Covenant. Non Jews, however, can find Salvation only through Jesus Christ.

Ted Cruz may believe in Dual Covenant Theology, I don't know.
This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 10:21 pm
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:29 pm to
If you don't think Israel is important in the rule of the kingdoms of the earth you are stupid. God chose Israel to be the head of all nations. God said He would bless those who bless Israel and He would curse those who curse Israel. He was speaking about individuals and nations. If you don't understand this you will not only be on the wrong side of history but more importantly on the wrong side of God. These truths were held long before there were Dispensationalists.

No group of people have trampled upon the prophetic truth of God more than the Dispensationalists.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10139 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:29 pm to
1. Dispensationalists are not the only people who think that Christians are supposed to support the nation of Israel.

2. Dispensationalism is only heresy under the Catholic definition of the word, which basically means anything other than the interpretation that the Catholic Church teaches. Which should mean that every Democrat who approves of abortion or gay marriage or divorce is a heretic (yet they never seem to run afoul of the church).

If you are a protestant, the word "heresy" is reserved specifically for deviations of theological doctrines that result in a compromised salvation.

3. Nobody interpreted the Old Testament correctly with regard to Jesus' first coming. It's always amazing to me when people now think they can correctly interpret the second coming in advance. That goes for everyone...the Catholic Church, dispensationalists, preterists, pre/post/amillennials...nobody is going to get this right.

They didn't the first time and neither will we.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:31 pm to
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I am a very strong supporter of the State of Israel, but, not because of my religion. I strongly support Israel because they are surrounded by Islamic nations, and, Islamic nations are dangerous, violent, unpredictable and very often do the Devil's Own Work.


And that's the thing.

You don't need religion to make a reasonable decision on this. Just a tiny bit of unbiased common sense.
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:33 pm to
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If you don't think Israel is important in the rule of the kingdoms of the earth you are stupid. God chose Israel to be the head of all nations. God said He would bless those who bless Israel and He would curse those who curse Israel. He was speaking about individuals and nations. If you don't understand this you will not only be on the wrong side of history but more importantly on the wrong side of God. These truths were held long before there were Dispensationalists.

No group of people have trampled upon the prophetic truth of God more than the Dispensationalists.


Israel=God's Chosen People

God's Chosen People= People who follow/ believe in the Covenant

The New and Everlasting Covenant= Jesus Christ

Adherents of the New and Everlasting Covenant aka Israel= Christians, not a poltical entity constructed in 1948

Posted by Monahans
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:38 pm to
Satan plays his tricks. All Christians need to read the Bible again. Christ is the only way.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:47 pm to
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If you don't think Israel is important in the rule of the kingdoms of the earth you are stupid. God chose Israel to be the head of all nations. God said He would bless those who bless Israel and He would curse those who curse Israel.

Bunch of horse shite. I can’t believe folks fall for this.
Posted by DoctorWorm
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:47 pm to
Most Christians would agree that God has dealt with man differently during different periods of time according to prophetic purposes. That's all it is
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 10:50 pm to
It’s wrong. It’s ridiculous and very ill conceived. But calling it a heresy is a bit too far.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10139 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 11:09 pm to
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Israel=God's Chosen People


Well, God didn't "choose" Israel. As in, He didn't look down upon the Earth and pick them out from among other peoples.

He rose them up. They didn't exist before Abraham. He made them from nothing specifically to be His people.

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God's Chosen People= People who follow/ believe in the Covenant


People who obeyed The Law and either formally converted to Judaism (including being circumcised) or who were descendents of Abraham.

Jewish thought then (and now) is that what matters is what you do, not what you think or believe or feel. They believe that as long as you don't actually do it and it doesn't impact anyone else, it isn't what matters.

This is why Jesus' teachings like the Sermon on the Mount—where He explained that refraining from doing something wasn't enough, that it mattered just as much what the condition of your heart was, or Paul's teachings on salvation by faith through grace—were so revolutionary and controversial.

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The New and Everlasting Covenant= Jesus Christ


No problem with that one.

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Adherents of the New and Everlasting Covenant aka Israel


That's a complete leap in logic. You just went A to B to C to Pluto.

Adherents of the New and Everlasting Covenant are Christians, not Israelites, and nothing you've said so far equates Christians and Israel.

In first century Jerusalem there were practicing Jews and also people who practiced The Way, which is what Christianity was known as then.

If Christians became Israel, then what was a first century Jew born in 10 B.C.? What was he part of?

Also, among people who advocate for this view there is an almost universal tendency to dismiss the idea of supporting Israel because they became an official country with a secular government in 1948.

I don't know if y'all have ever read the Old Testament, but Israel never had even one righteous king in the whole history told in the Bible. Judah had a very small handful. Three, I think.

So Israel used to be an official country back in the Old Testament with a government that didn't follow God, yet for sure people were commanded to bless them back then, so I don't see that as being any sort of qualifier now.

I'm fairly neutral on this topic myself. As posted above, there are very good completely practical foreign policy reasons for the US to support Israel.

And I also know that there are some people who believe what you posted that I would be surprised if they didn't have good reasons to believe it (I am aware of people I respect on both sides of this issue).

But I don't think anyone is posting any good reasons here (no offense). I haven't seen it if they have.

This would probably take a pretty thick academic tome to reach a real conclusion on.

This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 11:17 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10139 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 11:15 pm to
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Bunch of horse shite. I can’t believe folks fall for this.


Wait a minute.

Aren't you the guy who believes in feminism even though almost all first wave feminists wrote that they got their feminist wisdom by channeling spirits in seances?

Why is it o.k. for you to believe in something that the authors claimed was given by supernatural revelation, but it's not o.k. for anyone else?

This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5468 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 11:18 pm to
quote:


Israel=God's Chosen People
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The New and Everlasting Covenant= Jesus Christ

I mean you kinda already believe in dispensationalism right there.

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Dispensationalism is a Christian theological framework for interpreting the Christian Bible which maintains that history is divided into multiple ages called "dispensations" in which God interacts with his chosen people in different ways.
This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 11:21 pm
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2055 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 11:55 pm to
What crazy protestant palp is this?

We need a crazy religious board for these type of post
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
12765 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:06 am to
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Jewish thought then (and now) is that what matters is what you do, not what you think or believe or feel.

We do? Orthodox are super OCD about traditions and processes, but probably 70% of American Jews are not. I know what Yom Kippur means, just like you know what Easter means.

Why such the broad strokes?

I continue to be amazed over the decades over how Christians can divide themselves though. It never ends.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
20778 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:09 am to
Dispensations is only there because designed it that way. Most true dispensationalists only believe that “chronological” ways to salvation or righteousness has changed throughout history and in the Bible. There was no law before Moses so how did the people find salvation or righteousness? Then at Jesus’s death there was a new covenant of grace through faith. Even Jesus’s ministry is different from Paul’s ministry. Jesus’s ministry was Kingdom age ministry and about who Jesus is/was. Paul’s ministry was not about who Jesus was but about what Jesus did. It’s really that simple. All Christians believes in dispensations they just don’t want to admit it especially Catholics because tradition is all that matters. The printing press stopped the Catholic reign over Christianity and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Christians who weren’t Catholics. To hear a fricking Catholic call something a heresy when the entire Catholic doctrine and traditions are heretical is laughable.

But muh the Catholic Church never split. Well it did many times over and any group of believers that popped up just got killed by the “Church”. And explain the Eastern Orthodox if the only early organizated church was the Catholic Church? Only reason the Catholic Church held was because of Roman power behind it. Once believers were able to obtain their own Bible after the printing press mass produced the Bible the Catholic Church lost its power over the people.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:12 am to
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Dispensationalism is a Heresy


Nope
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51501 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 6:39 am to
quote:

Aren't you the guy who believes in feminism even though almost all first wave feminists wrote that they got their feminist wisdom by channeling spirits in seances?

I don’t know what “believes in feminism” means. I believe that women should have the same rights as men. The latest “advances” in feminism seem off the rails to me. I think you have to agree that my view is fairly straightforward and has no need of seances.
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