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Air Traffic Control Washouts Whine about “Hazing”
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:01 am
A poli sci major tries to become an air traffic controller.
Then the story takes a turn as he barely graduates.
In Oakland, he effed it up and got told.
He pussed out.
But according to the Washington Post, it’s the FAA’s problem.
Christ on a crutch! As a pilot and a passenger, I am very happy that 20 percent wash out. I’d rather washout too many many and have hurt feelings than have someone on the scope who cannot hack it.
Link (behind a paywall).
LINK ‘College hazing’ or training? Amid shortage, air traffic recruits wash out.
quote:
Higgins, who has a degree in political science from the University of Central Florida, stumbled onto the idea of becoming an air traffic controller while browsing the federal government’s hiring website. In 2019, after taking a test and undergoing medical and security screening, he was offered a place at the academy and shipped out to Oklahoma. The FAA placed Higgins in the demanding career track for controllers who manage aircraft in the middle of their journeys at high altitudes.
Then the story takes a turn as he barely graduates.
quote:
Higgins said he struggled through the academy program, graduating at the bottom of his class and getting “saddled” with an undesirable posting to Oakland.
In Oakland, he effed it up and got told.
quote:
In his first few days guiding aircraft at the Oakland, California, air traffic control center, trainee Ryan Higgins deleted a plane’s data from the radar screen. It was untrackable for a few frantic moments while more experienced controllers made sure the plane was on a safe path. The rookie mistake rattled Higgins and earned him a stern rebuke.
He pussed out.
quote:
He quit. “I just felt kind of miserable going to work and being berated when I’m just trying to learn,” said Higgins
But according to the Washington Post, it’s the FAA’s problem.
quote:
“If it was a more respectful, understanding culture, more patient, then I think I would have been more inclined to stick with it,” Higgins said.
Christ on a crutch! As a pilot and a passenger, I am very happy that 20 percent wash out. I’d rather washout too many many and have hurt feelings than have someone on the scope who cannot hack it.
Link (behind a paywall).
LINK ‘College hazing’ or training? Amid shortage, air traffic recruits wash out.
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 10:04 am
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:20 am to RanchoLaPuerto
ATC is one of those fields like medicine where the wrong decision at the wrong time can be catastrophic.
They expect to make a mistake which can kill hundreds of people and not get fussed at over it?
They expect to make a mistake which can kill hundreds of people and not get fussed at over it?
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:23 am to RanchoLaPuerto
quote:
more patient
I’m sure telling a pilot who’s in a dive after a bird strike to be patient is what it’s all about.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:24 am to RanchoLaPuerto
One of the more stressful occupations out there, and he can't handle being called out on a MAJOR mistake. Definitely the best solution for him to wash out.
Surprised it's only 20%
quote:
very happy that 20 percent wash out.
Surprised it's only 20%
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:40 am to RanchoLaPuerto
I write this while sitting on a plane. My biggest concern is that this media story gets traction and they “fix” the program by eliminating peer pressure and lowering job standards.
ATC’s make good money for a reason. It’s an important job.
ATC’s make good money for a reason. It’s an important job.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:43 am to RanchoLaPuerto
quote:
I am very happy that 20 percent wash out.
I'd be happier if it was 33% but I guess that crappiest 13% ensures enough butts are in seats in the towers around the country.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:45 am to RanchoLaPuerto
Are we supposed to feel sorry for them and what is with this pic?
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:52 am to jbgleason
quote:
I write this while sitting on a plane. My biggest concern is that this media story gets traction and they “fix” the program by eliminating peer pressure and lowering job standards.
Have you listened to ATC audio recently?
This is already happening.
The guy in the OP would have absolutely washed out 20 years ago.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:55 am to RanchoLaPuerto
I have a friend who’s an ATC.
Communication skills are dead on-point.
Good guy, got his shite together.
Dude makes me less concerned to fly commercial.
tl/dr: There are competent ATC folks at work today
Communication skills are dead on-point.
Good guy, got his shite together.
Dude makes me less concerned to fly commercial.
tl/dr: There are competent ATC folks at work today
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:02 am to soccerfüt
quote:
There are competent ATC folks at work today
A lot! I sold my plane in November and don't intend to fly anymore. But I'll always be grateful to the folks in ATC who patiently guided me through training, then my first dozen flights, or so.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:37 am to Penrod
quote:I would have to imagine that this is one of those fields that's absolutely ripe for being one of the first on the chopping block with AI looming, no?
A lot! I sold my plane in November and don't intend to fly anymore. But I'll always be grateful to the folks in ATC who patiently guided me through training, then my first dozen flights, or so.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:43 am to RanchoLaPuerto
Only took 2 generations for the Higgins' to go from building boats to defeat the Nazis to literally shaking for being called out on frickups.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:45 am to RanchoLaPuerto
Y’all member when the Biden admin were putting retarded people as controllers?
I member
I member
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:48 am to Weekend Warrior79
quote:
Surprised it's only 20%
I would have lost money on that one.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:50 am to Weekend Warrior79
Just watching this video of an ATC video game gave me reflux. That kid had a dream job and blew it.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:51 am to RanchoLaPuerto
Here’s the article without paywall via the Wayback Machine: Archived Article
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:53 am to EthicalHedonist
Thanks. Did not know you could do that.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:57 am to RanchoLaPuerto
Part of the everyone gets a trophy class
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:57 am to bad93ex
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Are we supposed to feel sorry for them and what is with this pic?
He's looking wistfully into the endless horizon of the sky that could have been his.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:59 am to doc baklava
From the movie Pushing Tin.
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