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Public schools: accelerating dropouts and “chronic absenteeism “
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:28 pm
The trend started during Covid but never stopped. And the bigger the city, the higher the school-skipping. Maybe we should change the culture and make it acceptable to quit school at 16 and get a GED if you're going to work or into an apprenticeship.
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In total, nearly one in twelve public schools in the United States has experienced a “substantial” enrollment decline over the last five years. The problem is especially egregious in our big cities. In Los Angeles, more than 32% of students were chronically absent in the 2023-2024 school year. In Chicago, dwindling enrollment has left about 150 schools half-empty, while 47 operate at less than one-third capacity. Additionally, schools identified by their states as chronically low-performing were more than twice as likely to experience sizable enrollment declines as other public schools. In February 2025, FutureEd disclosed that data from 22 states and the District of Columbia for the 2023-24 school year show significant differences across grade levels, with absenteeism particularly severe in high school.
In most states, 12th graders have the highest rates of chronic absenteeism, often far exceeding state averages. In Mississippi, for example, the overall absenteeism rate was 24%, but among seniors, it soared to 41%. Several other states have senior absenteeism rates above 40%, with rates in the District of Columbia and Oregon exceeding 50%.”
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Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:34 pm to DesScorp
They aren't worried about a GED.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:45 pm to DesScorp
Education is broken in the US.
Thank a democrat
Thank a democrat
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:48 pm to DesScorp
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In Los Angeles, more than 32% of students were chronically absent in the 2023-2024 school year. In Chicago, dwindling enrollment has left about 150 schools half-empty, while 47 operate at less than one-third capacity.
And not one teacher or admin lost their job. Probably all got raises.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:49 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Education is broken in the US.
Thank a democrat
No Child Left Behind was a bipartisan effort and was passed with an overwhelming majority in both chambers and signed by a Republican President.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:53 pm to DesScorp
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Maybe we should change the culture and make it acceptable to quit school at 16 and get a GED if you're going to work or into an apprenticeship.
I highly doubt the kids who are chronically absent have the work ethic or IQ to learn a trade. It's usually kids in the middle range that thrive in trades. Shuffling dumb kids into vocational programs hasn't really helped dropout rates and their success rate in those programs are pretty low.
I know it's a common theme on here to criticize the education system by saying we need to focus on trades but most school districts have programs like this available and if they don't, the state will pay for them to attend a community college.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:53 pm to DesScorp
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Maybe we should change the culture and make it acceptable to quit school at 16 and get a GED if you're going to work or into an apprenticeship.
You would be better off pushing for implementation of alternatives to college career paths in high schools. Most of the magnets here in my county that involve training for trades are full and help fulfill trade jobs in the area. I like the Australian set up for apprenticeships and trades once you reach a certain age.
I'm sure the OT would be thrilled with a bunch of 16 year olds running around without a GED or HS diploma (which likely translates to no job all together).
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:59 pm to BluegrassBelle
Worst thing bush did. Bar none.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:03 pm to DesScorp
This will only get worse.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:10 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Education is broken in the US.
Every institution is broken in the US. The systems that we have now were built for a different time. They have all been corrupted by money and ideology.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I'm sure the OT would be thrilled with a bunch of 16 year olds running around without a GED or HS diploma (which likely translates to no job all together).
Actually, what brought the suggestion to mind was some reading Ive been doing about how the military successfully recruited millions of young men without HS diplomas for 35 years between WWII to about 1980, trained and motivated them, then gave them cheap or free means to earn a HS equivalent or GED and even some college through the old Armed Forces Institute (which sadly no longer exists).
It is frankly unnatural for most boys and teens to be crammed in a glorified concrete box 8 hours a day taking instruction. Whatever we come up with needs to be a departure from the all-day classroom model.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:17 pm to DesScorp
Yeah that was back when the United States had a solid blue collar manufacturing industry where people who weren’t credentialed could work and thrive.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:25 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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Worst thing bush did. Bar none.
As much as it failed to fix the problem, NCLB was at least a serious attempt to redress the issue of chronic social promotion in inner-city schools, where you had “graduates” that couldn't add/subtract nor read/write. NCLB was a requirement that schools Prove their kids had learned at least the basics through test scores before they were handed that degree.Like anything else designed and implemented by committees , it became a clunky mess.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:37 pm to DesScorp
I teach at a small high school in rural southwest Virginia. We have problems with chronic absenteeism as well. We consistently turn kids in for being truant; the local judge threatens and blusters but ultimately does nothing. If schools aren't doing their part, they should absolutely be held accountable. Ultimately, there won't be any progress in fixing the problem until the parents or guardians are held responsible. Start taking money out of their paychecks or food stamps until their kids show up to school on a regular basis.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:57 pm to DesScorp
Been trumpeting for decades how broken the system is, and how much worse it was getting each year. Fortunately, I only have to deal with the nonsense a few more years.
You want to fix education - here ya go.
**End entitlements
**Abolish the (un)Earned Income Credit
**Enact nationwide 3 strikes law
**Build more jails & prisons
**Increase penalties across the board
In other words, make actions have consequences again.
You want to fix education - here ya go.
**End entitlements
**Abolish the (un)Earned Income Credit
**Enact nationwide 3 strikes law
**Build more jails & prisons
**Increase penalties across the board
In other words, make actions have consequences again.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:06 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
How are teachers or admin responsible for getting the students up, dressed and to school?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:09 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Education is broken in the US.
Thank a democrat
No.
Thank Dubya and the bi-partisan coalition that passed the garbage known as No Child Left Behind.
One of the single worst pieces of legislation ever passed in this country's history. It's one of the main reasons public education has taken a nosedive the last 2 decades.
To be fair, the intentions Bush had behind NCLB were genuine. It just muddied the waters and it became a bloated mess.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:21 pm to Old Man and a Porch
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How are teachers or admin responsible for getting the students up, dressed and to school?
I’m not blaming them, but generally when you don’t have customers, you cut back on your workforce. At least that happens everywhere but government.
In education, they add employees and give raises.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:58 pm to DesScorp
quote:What? It worked fine for people who are doctors and other successful professionals.
It is frankly unnatural for most boys and teens to be crammed in a glorified concrete box 8 hours a day taking instruction. Whatever we come up with needs to be a departure from the all-day classroom model.
What do they do go home and play on their phones, video games, and get on Tik Tok instead?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:00 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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And not one teacher or admin lost their job.
What are teachers supposed to do about chronic absenteeism? We can't drive the bus and force students in every morning.
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