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PhD grads vastly outnumber jobs in academia

Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:29 pm
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:29 pm
I know you all will be shocked, just shocked at this.

PhD programmes need to better prepare students for careers outside universities, researchers warn.

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The number of doctoral graduates globally has been growing steadily over the past few decades. And in countries such as China and India, those numbers are exploding.

Conventionally, the doctorate was a stepping stone to a lifelong career in academia. But today, the number of PhD graduates vastly exceeds the number of job openings at universities and research institutions. Researchers say that many universities are not preparing graduates for a career outside academia.

“We need to make doctoral education more meaningful, more sustainable and better aligned with the diverse societal and labour-market needs,” says Cláudia Sarrico, the Secretary of State for Higher Education in Portugal, who previously worked at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in Paris.

Among the 38 countries belonging to the OECD, the number of new doctorate holders almost doubled between 1998 and 20171, and has continued to increase in the years since. (Although several countries, including Australia and Brazil, have seen a dip in PhD enrolments over the past few years, driven in part by high living costs and low stipends.)

In China, the number of doctoral students has doubled — from around 300,000 in 2013 to more than 600,000 students enrolled in PhD programmes in 2023. “The numbers are massive, and they keep growing,” says Hugo Horta, who researches higher-education policy and practice at the University of Hong Kong. There are several factors driving this growth, Horta explains, such as the increasing number of people with bachelor’s and master’s degrees, and the expectation among many in the country that an investment in higher education will provide better economic and social prospects.

But the number of jobs in academia has not kept pace with the growth in PhD holders, says Horta. People coming into these doctoral programmes are, for the most part, training to become academics, so many future graduates are going to face fierce competition for any position, he says.

In countries such as the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom, non-academic jobs are increasingly becoming the norm for people with PhDs. A 2023 study2 of more than 4,500 PhD graduates in the United Kingdom found that over two-thirds of doctoral graduates were employed outside academia.

Such employment can mean graduates taking jobs that aren’t research based or that are outside their area of expertise. In South Africa, out of more than 6,000 PhD graduates who completed a 2020 survey, 18% said that they had had trouble finding jobs related to their expertise. “Even though they do find jobs, it’s not necessarily linked to their PhDs, and it’s not always the jobs that they expected or that they wanted,” says Milandré van Lill, a researcher at Stellenbosch University in South Africa and a co-author of the study. “From my perspective, we have reached saturation point in terms of PhD graduates.” Some graduates who find jobs outside of academia feel overqualified and undervalued, says van Lill.




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Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
10878 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:31 pm to
As someone with an honorary PHD from one of the most prestigious universities in all of Laos, Oldmanbeasley can relate. It’s tough out there.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
33637 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:32 pm to
How are PhD programs doing financially?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103086 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:39 pm to
What do you call someone with a PhD in a useless subject?

“Waiter.”
Posted by George Dickel
Member since Jun 2019
2165 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:46 pm to
PhD:

Post hole digger
Piled higher and deeper
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72627 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:47 pm to
It's been this way for 30 years +
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79622 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:48 pm to
Book knowledge does not necessarily mean marketable skills.
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:49 pm to
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As someone with an honorary PHD from one of the most prestigious universities in all of Laos, Oldmanbeasley can relate. It’s tough out there.


Should have gone to the Rangoon College of Faith Healing.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34352 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:51 pm to
Imagine starting school at 5 and ending up there forever
Posted by ChickennBiscuits
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2019
360 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:59 pm to
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but I’ve seen a proliferation of not particularly smart people chasing degrees from glorified diploma mills seemingly for status (i.e. so they can tell people they’re “a doctor”) despite working standard low level career jobs or having some vague form of self employment. These are the same people who do open admissions certificate programs at prestigious universities so they can get the email address and attach it to their LinkedIn.

All this to say….the world is full of NPCs who lack any real direction other than to rack up a bunch of meaningless credentials to build their “brand”.
Posted by Rambler
Coastal Landmass
Member since Jan 2011
1512 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:26 am to
I actually remember my first day in 1st grade. When I got home, my mother asked me how it was, and I said it was OK. Then she told me I had to get to bed early so I could get up in the morning for school.

I said, "What, again?"
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8923 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:46 am to
Very well. Even if not directly based off of tuition raised (most PhDs get tuition waivers), they’re critical for exploiting the research grant system. Which is VERY profitable. And is why there is such an over abundance of them.
This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 6:48 am
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9613 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:53 am to
Ph.D’s already know this going into their studies. Anyone that pretends they were shocked to find out you aren’t automatically gifted a job in academia when you get a Ph.D is lying to you or shifting blame due to regret.

But people do Ph.D’s anyway… and this reason will shock many… because it’s not about a job. It’s about the challenge.

And before anyone asks… yes I have a job, and I love my work. Did the Ph.D make me better at the job? No… it made me better as a person and it made me better FOR the job.

If you’re thinking about doing it… don’t be afraid. Know what you’re getting into. But frick it… you only live once. Go get it.
Posted by Piebald Panther
Member since Aug 2020
610 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:53 am to
There are a particular type of historically established schools that like to pump out the “doctors” and they end up teaching in grade schools. Getting a PhD to teach at grade schools is asinine
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
33637 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:54 am to
quote:

Very well. Even if not directly based off of tuition raised (most PhDs get tuition waivers), they’re critical for exploiting the research grant system. Which is VERY profitable. And is why there is such an over abundance of them.


So what would the reaction be if they were to "tweak" the research grant system to slow down the number of underemployed PhD graduates?
Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
6670 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:54 am to
Don't know if true but I heard if every employed lawyer were to retire all the jobs would be filled by one graduating class with a JD degree.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:58 am to
Universities shouldn't be preparing most people for jobs, they should be supplying an education. Companies farming out training to colleges and then acting offended when a new grad in accounting is borderline useless without training has always pissed me off.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:59 am to
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Universities need to better prepare students for careers outside universities, researchers warn.
FIFY

Universities are not job centers.

They are more akin to entertainment entities than anything else, with a side business of research in order to receive government grants.

Actually directing individuals to jobs for which their degree is applicable is FAR down the list of reasons universities exist.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85229 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:00 am to
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it made me better as a person and it made me better FOR the job.


Lol getting your phd makes you a better person?

Seems like it turned you into a self righteous twat.




This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 7:00 am
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12152 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:09 am to
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There are a particular type of historically established schools that like to pump out the “doctors” and they end up teaching in grade schools. Getting a PhD to teach at grade schools is asinine
Meh, vast majority of those are EdD, not PhD.
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