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Why Iranians may not overthrow Mullahs
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:55 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:55 am
Pretty good essay appeared in WSJ Saturday. Author is a veteran British journalist who covered Iran from Iran for quite some time.
WSJ (paywall)
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On June 13 Benjamin Netanyahu urged the “noble people of Iran” to grasp their “freedom” from the “evil and repressive regime.” Four days later Reza Pahlavi, Muhammad-Reza’s 63-year-old son, who lives in the U.S. and is considered by his supporters to be Iran’s rightful monarch, issued a call for a “nationwide rising…now is the time to reclaim Iran.”
Yet, in the face of such appeals, and mounting evidence that this embarrassingly one-sided war can only end in defeat for the Islamic Republic, the people of Tehran haven’t rushed into the streets to rebel. Why?
For all the detestation that millions of Iranians feel for the Islamic Republic, they have more pressing things to do than launch a revolution at the behest of people sitting comfortably thousands of miles away. While their cities burn, Iranians are on the move—provided they can get hold of gasoline—driving into the hills or toward the Caspian coast, filling summer houses or piling into the homes of generous-hearted strangers, where they hope they will be safe from an Israeli onslaught that has not spared residential buildings and other civilian infrastructure....
But there is a more fundamental reason for Iranians’ rejection of these calls to rebel. Revolutions that are orchestrated by foreigners are tarnished with dishonor and treachery. This is especially true in Iran—and for precise historical reasons. On three occasions since the 1920s, the interference of foreign powers has had a detrimental effect on Iran’s politics, leaving behind a deep skepticism toward those foreigners that claim to have Iranians’ best interests at heart and, equally, those Iranians who ally with them.
WSJ (paywall)
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 9:18 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:20 am to prplhze2000
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an Israeli onslaught that has not spared residential buildings and other civilian infrastructure....
Okay, that's horseshite. Israel has gone out of their way to avoid non-government/military locations as much a humanly possible.
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Now, however, change may come much sooner and more convulsively than expected, but not liberation. A wounded and possibly decapitated regime may still preside over a ruined country. If Khamenei is killed, his successor will likely struggle to unify the regime’s various factions, many of which are armed. It is a grim picture, for both Iranians and the world.
Which would likely be better for the region. If they are focusing so much on internal strife, less funds will be available to go toward promoting terrorism in other countries.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:23 am to Bard
quote:Or it ends the same way Lybia and Syria have, with millions fleeing and overloading western countries, exacerbating an issue that many on this board have bitched about for years.
Which would likely be better for the region. If they are focusing so much on internal strife, less funds will be available to go toward promoting terrorism in other countries.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:23 am to prplhze2000
As much as many Iranians hate the Mullahs they probably hate Bibi more.
I wonder if the CIA and Mossad have the strength within Iran to foment revolution?
I wonder if the CIA and Mossad have the strength within Iran to foment revolution?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:27 am to Scruffy
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Or it ends the same way Lybia and Syria have, with millions fleeing and overloading western countries, exacerbating an issue that many on this board have bitched about for years.
Thankfully we have gotten our border under more control. Europe needs to follow through, but that's up to them to decide if that much diversity is a strength for them.
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A 37-year-old Algerian man was arrested at the scene and the prosecutor has opened a terrorist inquiry.
The suspect reportedly shouted 'Allahu Akbar', or 'God is great', during the attack.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:42 am to prplhze2000
They’re not going to revolt.
It’s a dream that the media and the govt is trying to create.
It’s a dream that the media and the govt is trying to create.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:47 am to thermal9221
I tend to agree with you. He makes a point they are just trying to survive and get basic necessities right now. They are also unarmed and lack the means to fight back. The regime will butcher them in a heartbeat and they know it.
Now, if they did arise, I don't mind us smuggling small arms such as rifles, ammo, and grenades to them but it still has to be an organic movement.
Someone said good, let them all fight each other. Um, do you really want another Lebanon?
Now, if they did arise, I don't mind us smuggling small arms such as rifles, ammo, and grenades to them but it still has to be an organic movement.
Someone said good, let them all fight each other. Um, do you really want another Lebanon?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:53 am to GumboPot
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As much as many Iranians hate the Mullahs they probably hate Bibi more.
quote:anecdotal
As much as many Iranians hate the Mullahs, they probably hate Bibi more.
but last night I had dinner with two very close family friends that left Iran in 79’. They have been in touch with their family this past week. They all got together and left Tehran when DJT made that statement to get out. They all went to a family farm a couple hours out and just been having like a big family reunion/party there. They even joked about how ‘when’s the last time you heard of a country getting attacked and bombed and the people celebrate it?’
What shocked me the most was when I mentioned Netanyahu and how with every politician it’s hard to trust anything they say in front of a podium, they both said that Yahu is a hero. That no matter what his real motives are, that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. They went on to talk about how amazing their childhood growing up in the 60s and 70s was in Iran and how bad it is now. Talked about some of the industries their families were in. One was the car industry that they said was on a trajectory to be like South Korea but disappeared nearly overnight. Said the leadership is more worried about spending billions on nuclear infrastructure and letting the roads fall apart, lack of schools, etc.
Was a fascinating dinner and delicious Persian roast with some fried yellow yogurt rice and dill sauce and veggies or whatever.
The couple is very successful. Proud Americans. Christians.
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:56 am to prplhze2000
quote:yes.
Someone said good, let them all fight each other. Um, do you really want another Lebanon?
Look at their neighbors, the geography, their location in relation to our interests in the region, and their allies.
If they do not have a nuke and are focused on civil war and not exporting terrorism (other than nukes, where most of their money goes) the best order of business is chaos in Iran.
Let them come to their own determination that way whatever emerges has legitimacy.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:57 am to Scruffy
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Or it ends the same way Lybia and Syria have
I imagine this is the outcome Israel wants (and likely our own gov)
A splintered Iran is weak. Instead of being a 90m pop regional heavyweight, it ends up 6 smaller states that are incapable of projecting influence outside its borders
I just don’t see it happening. The Iranian ground forces would need to take a serious pounding for any of the ethnic tribes to risk breaking off
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:00 am to GeauxBurrow312
quote:Syria had 20 million citizens before they fell, resulting in 7 million refugees overrunning Europe.
A splintered Iran is weak. Instead of being a 90m pop regional heavyweight, it ends up 6 smaller states that are incapable of projecting influence outside its borders
Iran had 90 million citizens. How many refugees will that create?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:02 am to Scruffy
quote:Persian people >>>>> Arab people
Syria had 20 million citizens before they fell, resulting in 7 million refugees overrunning Europe. Iran had 90 million citizens. How many refugees will that create?
and it isn’t close
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:03 am to prplhze2000
The idea that any Pahlavi is going to rule, in any shape form or fashion, in Iran is ALL of the following:
- Ludicrous
- Counterproductive
- Only increases both the military's and IRGC's resolve
- Dumb
- Unrealistic
- Erodes any public support as it may exist or has the potential to emerge
- Retarded
- Would result in the country being stripped of it's assets and moved to China
- He would be assinated before the next Ramadan
- Ludicrous
- Counterproductive
- Only increases both the military's and IRGC's resolve
- Dumb
- Unrealistic
- Erodes any public support as it may exist or has the potential to emerge
- Retarded
- Would result in the country being stripped of it's assets and moved to China
- He would be assinated before the next Ramadan
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:04 am to SuperSaint
quote:So, it is ok to have a mass refugee movement of Iranians to other countries, almost solely western countries, because they are Persians.
Persian people >>>>> Arab people
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:06 am to SuperSaint
If they want to flood Europe they can, not our problem. The US border needs to be locked down, no more foreigners
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:08 am to GeauxBurrow312
quote:And when the next Democrat gets elected and starts flying Iranian refugees into middle America, you won’t complain?
If they want to flood Europe they can, not our problem. The US border needs to be locked down, no more foreigners
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:08 am to prplhze2000
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his successor will likely struggle to unify the regime’s various factions, many of which are armed.

Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:09 am to Bard
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Okay, that's horseshite. Israel has gone out of their way to avoid non-government/military locations as much a humanly possible.
Israeli military leaders are disagreeing with you.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:10 am to prplhze2000
Two things can be true at the same time. Enegry security is national security, and the United States did what it felt like needed to be done at the time when it installed the Shah and later reinstalled the Shah.
The Iranian people have every right to be skeptical and not trust American and international intervention and tinkering.
The Iranian people have every right to be skeptical and not trust American and international intervention and tinkering.
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 9:11 am
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