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I wish documentaries would stop with all the dramatic music and sound effects
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:11 pm
Would be great if modern American documentaries could just present the information without trying to make the presentations into action movies.
Oh, and hold a scene for longer than 2 seconds.
Oh, and hold a scene for longer than 2 seconds.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 10:12 pm
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:14 pm to weagle1999
Re-enactments are the bane of documentaries
The filmmaker giving commentary/exposition is terrible. Michael Moore is to blame for that one.
The filmmaker giving commentary/exposition is terrible. Michael Moore is to blame for that one.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:18 pm to weagle1999
The story should be the draw, not the mix of dramatic theme music and artsy camera work.
Every time I see that stuff I think how lazy are the director and the writers.
Every time I see that stuff I think how lazy are the director and the writers.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:25 pm to weagle1999
And cut the fluff making a hour or two thing into a 5 series thing with dragged out shite and repetitiveness.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:35 pm to weagle1999
I don’t think they should be allowed to make one that doesn’t have a definitive ending. So many now are murder mysteries or something else and when it’s over you still don’t know who did it. frick those. Pisses me off.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 12:05 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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The story should be the draw, not the mix of dramatic theme music and artsy camera work.
If you're not going to use the language of filmmaking to make your film, why make it? A documentary made without any care or thought put into the filmmaking (visuals, sound, editing) should just be a book, or an article.
A melodramatic or overly manipulative score is a negative for any movie, regardless of genre, not just documentary. Documentary scores can be fantastic. Documentary camera work can aid and enhance the delivery of information. You guys should watch better documentaries.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 1:18 am to Lsudx256
I was watching one last night about the mob and the over the top music and street noises were louder than the narrator to the point all I heard was bits and pieces of what he was saying.
I got fed up with it and turned it off.
I got fed up with it and turned it off.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 4:58 am to Jay Are
Just saying don’t oversell a scene that doesn’t need it.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 7:04 am to gumbo2176
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I got fed up with it and turned it off.
Turn on closed captioning like the rest of us old people.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:08 am to LemmyLives
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Turn on closed captioning like the rest of us old people.
Nope. They need to make shows the right way, you know, use good production techniques.
If they want viewers to hear the narrative, cut back on the music and loud street scenes. Why should viewers feel the need to resort to closed captioning to correct their wrongs?
I, for one, hate closed captioning and it's one of the main reasons I won't watch foreign language films. Reading the narrative takes away from the viewing of the action.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:53 am to Havoc
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And cut the fluff making a hour or two thing into a 5 series thing with dragged out shite and repetitiveness.
This shite right fricking here. That is my biggest gripe with docs these days. Not everything has to be a docuseries. And most shite doesn't have NEAR enough information or interest to have multiple hour-long episodes (or eve seasons sometimes).
Just make a tight, 1.5 to 2 hour doc with relevant information and interesting topics, and I'm good.
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I wish documentaries would stop with all the dramatic music and sound effects
I agree with that...with the exception of Dear Zachary. That one deserves its "screeching lloud, dramatic noises"
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:55 am to weagle1999
It really depends. Errol Morris has made some of the best theatrically released docs, and it’s his cinematic technique that draws people in.
“The Thin Blue Line”
“Fast, Cheap and Out of Control”
“Dr Death”
“Gates of Heaven”
“ The Uknown Known”
“The Thin Blue Line”
“Fast, Cheap and Out of Control”
“Dr Death”
“Gates of Heaven”
“ The Uknown Known”
This post was edited on 6/16/25 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/16/25 at 9:53 am to weagle1999
Most modern "documentaries" are propaganda films, that's the whole problem.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:And now, AI animated cartoon re-enactments.
Re-enactments are the bane of documentaries
Posted on 6/16/25 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Re-enactments are the bane of documentaries
I can give you one example of re-enactments that were not only good, but critical to the telling of the story. In Jimmy Chin's "The Rescue," about the Thai cave flood and rescue, virtually all of the diving footage was re-enactments. Of course it's easier to pull off when it's about showing the working conditions of the rescue rather than having actors reciting dialog, but the re-enactments were what made it a compelling documentary. It was so well done, I think a lot of people assumed it was real footage.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 12:11 pm to weagle1999
I miss history channel style docs where they had 5 or so historians rotating telling parts of the story while they flash to pictures or re-emactments of the topic.
This post was edited on 6/16/25 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 6/16/25 at 12:16 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I miss history channel style docs where they had 5 or so historians rotating telling parts of the story while they flash to pictures or re-emactments of the topic.
Those were great. They'd have like a 3-5 night special for them.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 12:19 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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hose were great. They'd have like a 3-5 night special for them.
I came across some of them on Youtube and it really showed me how shitty the history channel has become. I know I sound old but back in my day it was better.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 12:23 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Russia: Land of the Czar was a great one they did I still vividly remember watching when I was younger.
I think the pendulum has gone a little too far, but I'm kind of on the fence on this. I think them using more artistic filmmaking is good because it brings in more audiences, which provides more money for more documentaries. I just think there has to be a balance and it has largely gone too far into the entertainment realm and left much of the documentary parts in the dust.
I think the pendulum has gone a little too far, but I'm kind of on the fence on this. I think them using more artistic filmmaking is good because it brings in more audiences, which provides more money for more documentaries. I just think there has to be a balance and it has largely gone too far into the entertainment realm and left much of the documentary parts in the dust.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 12:37 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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I can give you one example of re-enactments that were not only good, but critical to the telling of the story. In Jimmy Chin's "The Rescue," about the Thai cave flood and rescue, virtually all of the diving footage was re-enactments. Of course it's easier to pull off when it's about showing the working conditions of the rescue rather than having actors reciting dialog, but the re-enactments were what made it a compelling documentary. It was so well done, I think a lot of people assumed it was real footage.
I haven't seen that one, but I'm not sure if that means exactly what I'm talking about. Some documentaries have actors perform dialogue with the historical characters and create fiction-like presentations. That's more of what I meant.
I didn't mean like when on History Channel they'd have the historian talking and describing what happened, where they'd cut to a silent clip net the action. In what I'm discussing, the narrators go away and the characters talk about it.
The last one I saw was the Roman Empire "docudrama" on Netflix.
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