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I really hope the rumors of Trey Murphy on the block are false.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:10 am
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:10 am
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It would need to be a massive return of both players and picks for me to even consider it but I hope he stays right here and takes more of a leadership role as the 2nd best player on the team. Zion is never going to be a guy to leads but he can sure as shite ball so Trey needs to step up to that spot. I hope he makes good strides on his defense because his wingspan is huge and he can take advantage of that. If he can give 100% defensively I see him similar to Scottie Pippen. Trey is also on a steal of a contract too which makes his trade value even higher. In this video he talks about Denver, Cleveland and the Lakers as the most probable trade partners. In this video these are his hypothetical trade packages.
Cavs: Trey and salary filler like Hawk or Olynk
Pels: Garland or Allen plus picks
Denver: Trey and salary filler
Pels: Michael Porter Jr, Christian Braun and a 1st round pick
Pelicans: Dalton Knecht, Rui Hachimura and whoever the frick Shake Milton is plus picks down the road around 2030.
Lakers: Trey
I really don't mind that Denver deal if it wasn’t for Porter’s injury history because Braun is a good player. Same with the Cavs but I’d want 1 or 2 first round picks too. The Lakers deal is just fricking laughable. Thats an embarrassment of a package and if Dumars took a deal like that he should be fired on the spot.
In the end I hope we just keep Trey because i truly believe his best basketball is ahead of him.
It would need to be a massive return of both players and picks for me to even consider it but I hope he stays right here and takes more of a leadership role as the 2nd best player on the team. Zion is never going to be a guy to leads but he can sure as shite ball so Trey needs to step up to that spot. I hope he makes good strides on his defense because his wingspan is huge and he can take advantage of that. If he can give 100% defensively I see him similar to Scottie Pippen. Trey is also on a steal of a contract too which makes his trade value even higher. In this video he talks about Denver, Cleveland and the Lakers as the most probable trade partners. In this video these are his hypothetical trade packages.
Cavs: Trey and salary filler like Hawk or Olynk
Pels: Garland or Allen plus picks
Denver: Trey and salary filler
Pels: Michael Porter Jr, Christian Braun and a 1st round pick
Pelicans: Dalton Knecht, Rui Hachimura and whoever the frick Shake Milton is plus picks down the road around 2030.
Lakers: Trey
I really don't mind that Denver deal if it wasn’t for Porter’s injury history because Braun is a good player. Same with the Cavs but I’d want 1 or 2 first round picks too. The Lakers deal is just fricking laughable. Thats an embarrassment of a package and if Dumars took a deal like that he should be fired on the spot.
In the end I hope we just keep Trey because i truly believe his best basketball is ahead of him.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 11:36 am
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:50 am to LSUPilot07
No way Trey gets traded.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:53 am to LSUPilot07
I think this is more of a pipe dream trade scenario for other teams and not a reality.
Now Herb/ Jose/ Olynyk/ Hawk? Different conversation. 36.5mil in salary and can take back up to 45.6mil in a trade with those guys.
If we make a "contending move" then you probably want to keep Zion/ CJ/ Trey and ideally Murray depending on what you get.
Now Herb/ Jose/ Olynyk/ Hawk? Different conversation. 36.5mil in salary and can take back up to 45.6mil in a trade with those guys.
If we make a "contending move" then you probably want to keep Zion/ CJ/ Trey and ideally Murray depending on what you get.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 12:03 pm to LSUPilot07
This is so stupid. There is no rumor that Trey is on the trade block. The only rumor comes from KOC who simply said no one is untouchable.
There is a vast gulf between “on the trade block” and “not untouchable”. Trey is on a great contract and still improving. It would take a wild offer to pry him from the Pelicans. But people are treating it like the Pels are trying to dump Trey.
There is a vast gulf between “on the trade block” and “not untouchable”. Trey is on a great contract and still improving. It would take a wild offer to pry him from the Pelicans. But people are treating it like the Pels are trying to dump Trey.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 12:39 pm to LSUPilot07
Pels have Tre, Herb, CJ and Zion and interesting depth in Missi, Boston, and Jose. Pels have to acquire more talent to compete in division with arguably 12 players capable of 1st./2nd. team All-Pro. Problem is you want to keep your 1 or 2 best assets while acquiring more talent. This is the Zion concern, while your best talent he is your 3rd. or 4th. best asset in terms of acquiring talent. Seventh pick will give you a stronger rotation, but in my opinion, not enough to contend within the division. That's why there's chatter talking Tre and Herb.
It becomes more difficult when you factor in CJ. He clearly is the veteran presence on the team and can greatly help Dumars with establishing the culture of the team. The Pels could chose the longer build game since short term there are not a lot of good options, but it'd be a 3 year rebuild.
It becomes more difficult when you factor in CJ. He clearly is the veteran presence on the team and can greatly help Dumars with establishing the culture of the team. The Pels could chose the longer build game since short term there are not a lot of good options, but it'd be a 3 year rebuild.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:50 pm to Pistol44
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Pels have Tre, Herb, CJ and Zion
That's bottom 5, unfortunately.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:06 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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That's bottom 5, unfortunately.
An improvement this year is to be competitively lotto bound again. I'm more ok with that than trying to fast track a play-in while losing your best assets. Herb, Tre, and possibly CJ (I'd give him more years for discount money) are foundational in a rebuild.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 3:12 pm to Pistol44
It would be idiotic not to take calls on every single one of your players. If a team calls and wants Trey, or Herb, or anyone else and it upgrades your roster, you do it. Don't get too connected to the players.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 4:28 pm to CP3forMVP
Exactly. You never say the word "no."
Posted on 6/8/25 at 6:59 pm to CP3forMVP
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It would be idiotic not to take calls on every single one of your players. If a team calls and wants Trey, or Herb, or anyone else and it upgrades your roster, you do it. Don't get too connected to the players
My guess is that Herb...at this time...would probably be our best trade prospect. By that, I mean he would probably draw more of a "premium" than any of our other players (plus a bargain for the next 2 years)...since he would be worth more...to a contending playoff team that might just need a "Herb-like" addition...than he would be worth to the Pels...given their current situation.
Plus...Herb has just 2 more season before he starts making some fairly serious money if he stays with the Pels. Question is...can Pels afford to pay Herb what other teams would be willing to pay if/when he goes on the FA market in 2 years? I doubt it.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 7:10 pm to Pistol44
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An improvement this year is to be competitively lotto bound again
If this is the goal then you just trade CJ/ Murray/ Zion and build around Trey/ Herb/ Missi/ Karlo/ #7.
If you try to compete then you have to take either (1) of CJ/ Murray or Herb + Olynyk and find another star. The better move would be to keep Murray/ CJ and trade Herb, Olynyk, etccc.
We can't really improve much with this current roster although if healthy its a pretty good roster. Not good enough tho.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 8:21 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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By that, I mean he would probably draw more of a "premium" than any of our other players (plus a bargain for the next 2 years)...since he would be worth more...to a contending playoff team that might just need a "Herb-like" addition...than he would be worth to the Pels...given their current situation.
It is an interesting thought exercise. If I had to rate our current assets, I believe it would go something like this..
Murphy
Zion
#7
2026 1st unprotected
Jones
Missi
Other future 1sts/swaps
McCollum (appealing expiring)
Olynyk (appealing expiring)
Matkovic
Alvarado
Reeves
Hawkins, Payton and Boston all have no trade value other than filler. Due to his injury, I think Murray is a negative value right now (we'd have to include assets to move him).
We are not a talented team..
Posted on 6/8/25 at 8:53 pm to CP3forMVP
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It would be idiotic not to take calls on every single one of your players
For sure you take the call, the guy on the other end may have temporarily gone mad. I'm talking a trade. An upgrade of Trey or Herb is an established star. My point is another star (not named Joker or Giannis) still doesn't get you into contention (maybe play-in?). For example, what does a trade of Tre for Booker or Herb for Allen get you beside more money and marginal wins.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:23 pm to LSUPilot07
Not sure why we are obsessed over
These guys who can’t even make the playoffs..
If we can get
Good value, do it. He wasn’t even starting when we weren’t injured.
These guys who can’t even make the playoffs..
If we can get
Good value, do it. He wasn’t even starting when we weren’t injured.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:17 am to brmark70816
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Murphy
Zion
#7
27' MIL
26' MIL swap
Jones
Murray
CJ (appealing expiring)
Missi
Karlo
Other future 1sts/swaps
Olynyk (appealing expiring)
Alvarado
Reeves
We don't have to include assets to trade Murray and he's not a negative asset... People just can't process that Murray is already better than most other options and it would only cost us because we would be targeting guys like Ja.
Murray's last (4) games before injury were:
26pts/ 9reb/ 11ast
26pts/ 6reb/ 7ast
21pts/ 7reb/ 8ast
27pts/ 5reb/ 6ast
Average: 25pts/ 7reb/ 8ast. Wtf are people talking about with him as a bad or negative asset? Just straight emotional bullshite from injury trauma fans.
Murray/ CJ might only be close because Murray is coming off an injury and a team could get CJ with a cheap extension but that's the only reasons CJ would be worth more.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:28 am to Dantheman504
There was a somewhat recent sports article talking about a Murray trade and mentioned that "he didn't play well with us and didn't look good with Zion". They didn't even play a regular season game together and Murray was in a new system. Those comments have absolutely no merit.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:41 am to Dantheman504
Trade values are not static, they change and fluctuate. If we tried to trade Murray right now, there would be no market. He makes a lot of money and is out for most of next season. Who is trading assets for that?
If Murray comes back fully healed and plays 20 strong games to finish next season he could totally redeem a lot of value. But right now nobody is giving up anything of value for him..
If Murray comes back fully healed and plays 20 strong games to finish next season he could totally redeem a lot of value. But right now nobody is giving up anything of value for him..
Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:34 pm to LSUPilot07
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plus picks down the road
Words I hope I never hear again in a trade.
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