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2025 is to 2000 as 1996 was to Stairway to Heaven
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:32 pm
25 years ago, Coldplay's Yellow, Eminem's Real Slim Shady, and Britney Spears's Oops, I Did It Again were released.
25 years before 1996, Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven, John Denver's Take Me Home Country Roads, Bill Withers's Ain't No Sunshine were released.
The rate of cultural change has slowed significantly. It seemed like a multi-generation difference between the 70s and the 90s. I would have been 12 in 1996, and there was a distinct shift between the early 90s, the 80s, the late 70s, and the early 70s. That seems like four different eras, each with their own fashion, trends, sounds, technology, and perspectives. 1996 was surge, Nintendo 64, and Dave Matthews Band. 1971 was L.A. Woman, the crackle of vinyl, and rotary phones.
The 2000s to today? Feels like it's all the same. Clothing, hair style, music...it's all very similar over the last 25 years. Of course there are some changes and differences, but let's put it this way: Lady Gaga's Poker Face came out 17 years ago. 17 years before Britney Spears's "Oops" came out was before Madonna had released her first song. I don't feel like pop music today is that much different today than it was in 2008. It's not even that different between today and 1999. But it's certainly majorly different than the early 80s/mid 70s.
I think the reason for the odd shifts in time perspectives is the relative speeds in which culture and technology has progressed. 1971 and 1996 certainly had a difference in technological advancements but it was more so society and culture that was moving at warp speed. Between 2000 and 2025, technology advanced at an exponential rate but society and culture seemed to stabilize.
Also, old material is still alive with streaming and YouTube. In the 70s, you had to "discover" those old bands either through your community or something like the radio. Then you had to actively pursue those individual bands through purchasing CDs, hoping to catch a VH1 special or something. Now, you have every band's entire discography at the click of a button at any time. Algorithms throw it all at you at once too.
But I'm not sure that explains why. It could be a how it feels different but not really why culture has slowed down so significantly.
(Note - this isn't about music as much as it is about culture and the flattening of cultural progression and the perspective of time)
25 years before 1996, Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven, John Denver's Take Me Home Country Roads, Bill Withers's Ain't No Sunshine were released.
The rate of cultural change has slowed significantly. It seemed like a multi-generation difference between the 70s and the 90s. I would have been 12 in 1996, and there was a distinct shift between the early 90s, the 80s, the late 70s, and the early 70s. That seems like four different eras, each with their own fashion, trends, sounds, technology, and perspectives. 1996 was surge, Nintendo 64, and Dave Matthews Band. 1971 was L.A. Woman, the crackle of vinyl, and rotary phones.
The 2000s to today? Feels like it's all the same. Clothing, hair style, music...it's all very similar over the last 25 years. Of course there are some changes and differences, but let's put it this way: Lady Gaga's Poker Face came out 17 years ago. 17 years before Britney Spears's "Oops" came out was before Madonna had released her first song. I don't feel like pop music today is that much different today than it was in 2008. It's not even that different between today and 1999. But it's certainly majorly different than the early 80s/mid 70s.
I think the reason for the odd shifts in time perspectives is the relative speeds in which culture and technology has progressed. 1971 and 1996 certainly had a difference in technological advancements but it was more so society and culture that was moving at warp speed. Between 2000 and 2025, technology advanced at an exponential rate but society and culture seemed to stabilize.
Also, old material is still alive with streaming and YouTube. In the 70s, you had to "discover" those old bands either through your community or something like the radio. Then you had to actively pursue those individual bands through purchasing CDs, hoping to catch a VH1 special or something. Now, you have every band's entire discography at the click of a button at any time. Algorithms throw it all at you at once too.
But I'm not sure that explains why. It could be a how it feels different but not really why culture has slowed down so significantly.
(Note - this isn't about music as much as it is about culture and the flattening of cultural progression and the perspective of time)
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:35 pm to StringedInstruments
No Stairway? Denied!
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:36 pm to StringedInstruments
If Dazed and Confused was released today, it would be set in 2008.
This post was edited on 5/5/25 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If Dazed and Confused was released today, it would be set in 2008.
Exactly. From 1993 to 1976, that was a lifetime. The whole point of the movie was to step back into a different time.
2008 would be like today with shittier iPhones. You could barely call it a historical piece.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:44 pm to StringedInstruments
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The 2000s to today? Feels like it's all the same. Clothing, hair style, music...it's all very similar over the last 25 years.
Not really. A lot of very popular music today, as an example, is closer to the 70s than the early 2000s. Folk type music is extremely popular right now, and wasn’t at all 25 years ago. Zach Bryan, Red Clay Strays, Noah Khan, etc.
Pop has always kind of been the same
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:45 pm to StringedInstruments
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2008 would be like today with shittier iPhones. You could barely call it a historical piece.
You could at least call people figs and retards though
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If Dazed and Confused was released today, it would be set in 2008
Back to the Future would be 1995.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:53 pm to StringedInstruments
I remember seeing WWI veterans marching in their uniforms on Veterans Day. They'd have been at least 70 years old at the time.
Some of them probably could remember talking to Civil War Veterans.
Our country is not that old.
My paternal great grandparents went to sleep in Virginia one night and when they awoke in the same houses, they were in West Virginia. My oldest sibling knew her when he was a kid.
Some of them probably could remember talking to Civil War Veterans.
Our country is not that old.
My paternal great grandparents went to sleep in Virginia one night and when they awoke in the same houses, they were in West Virginia. My oldest sibling knew her when he was a kid.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If Dazed and Confused was released today, it would be set in 2008.
Stop it.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 3:06 pm to StringedInstruments

This is also part of it. There was a lot of money to be made during the CD era. And before that it was just a different time. People were making good music, but it would grow a lot more. Then if you look at when streaming started, you can argue its about when then quality of music started to diminish. I am not saying there are no longer any good artist out there, but it seems like in the 90s you would have release days where there would be multiple CDs that were bangers. Now, you might get 2 or 3 songs on a release day.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 3:16 pm to StringedInstruments
This thread is
over my head.
over my head.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 3:48 pm to StringedInstruments
Eh, I'm not so sure about this.
In early 2000s, there was alt rock of its own style which is not the same as today. You also had boy bands like NSYNC and the Backstreet boys. You listend to it on the radio or with a CD player.
Internet and streaming have changed everything for music, TV, movies, and content creation generally. Not to mention smart phones.
Society as whole is more liberal (see gay marriage, legalization of marijuana in many states). There is the woke movement, etc.
Last thing I will say is clothes. Go watch a movie from 2003 (especially a kid/teen movie) and let me know if anybody dresses like that now.
In early 2000s, there was alt rock of its own style which is not the same as today. You also had boy bands like NSYNC and the Backstreet boys. You listend to it on the radio or with a CD player.
Internet and streaming have changed everything for music, TV, movies, and content creation generally. Not to mention smart phones.
Society as whole is more liberal (see gay marriage, legalization of marijuana in many states). There is the woke movement, etc.
Last thing I will say is clothes. Go watch a movie from 2003 (especially a kid/teen movie) and let me know if anybody dresses like that now.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:04 pm to StringedInstruments
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The rate of cultural change has slowed significantly.
Sort of. When did the internet take off? Yeah, mid 90's. What happened is a merging of all cultures, especially since social media was introduced. You see less differences because of that. It sucks for music, because you had all these regional niches that were very interesting.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
We are further away from Bowling For Soup’s 1985 now than we were from 1985 when the song was released in 2004.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:13 pm to StringedInstruments
I think about this a lot type of stuff a lot and I agree with you. I also think the 70s were just the greatest decade of music ever and nothing will ever really compare.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:16 pm to StringedInstruments
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Also, old material is still alive with streaming and YouTube. In the 70s, you had to "discover" those old bands either through your community or something like the radio. Then you had to actively pursue those individual bands through purchasing CDs
I don't think Hank done it that away!!! Hint: Per google, CDs came out in 1983. In the 70's vinyl was still the only game for home. 8 track gave way to cassette in the car during that time.
This post was edited on 5/5/25 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:16 pm to StringedInstruments
American culture died on 9/11. It's all been the same since then.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 6:06 pm to The Boat
I'm gen X...I agree. But the lines are not clear. 90s style was not the same in 92 and 99, in 92 it was closer to 88 than 99....
The reality is that once things went online, it became sort of stuck in a increased tempo but without a lot of real differences. so 2010 and 2021 seem very similar to me culturally.
Digital world is just quickly reproduced cheap fakes. Not that pop culture was deep to begin with.
The reality is that once things went online, it became sort of stuck in a increased tempo but without a lot of real differences. so 2010 and 2021 seem very similar to me culturally.
Digital world is just quickly reproduced cheap fakes. Not that pop culture was deep to begin with.
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