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Would you support FairTax plan?

Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:51 am
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:51 am
It would raise your sales tax rate by an additional 27-29%(Almost 40% sales tax rate here in AL)

You would receive a monthly prebate of ~$250 monthly. Some more depending on income level.

No income tax.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:05 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25947 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:55 am to
Can we exclude food from the sales tax?

Louisiana is 9.5% (higher in some areas). My guess is that those local sales taxes would shift towards property taxes over time, which also kind of sucks.

I'm on board with a consumption tax instead of income tax but Ithat seems high to me.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 7:58 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
74935 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:58 am to
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It would raise your sales tax rate by an additional 27-29%
Are you being clear with this? If a state's sales tax is 10% it would rise to 12.7-12.9% total or another 27-29 points?
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
59162 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:59 am to
No. I’d support cutting federal spending, no income tax, no property tax, no sales tax.

Invade neighboring countries and tax them like in the old days.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25152 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:00 am to
Yes, a consumption tax would be far healthier for the country.

No exemptions. As soon as you start that we'll be back to the current tax tar baby within a decade.
Posted by SallysHuman
With Sally
Member since Jan 2025
2539 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:01 am to
Get rid of direct taxation of citizens from the federal government.

Let them get from states like they used to do.

Let states tax as they wish.

Posted by Sasquatch45
Earth
Member since Jul 2021
1479 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:01 am to
Yes yes hell yes
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70136 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:02 am to
Have since 2001
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7264 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:02 am to
quote:

Are you being clear with this? If a state's sales tax is 10% it would rise to 12.7-12.9% total or another 27-29 points?


Yes I was clear. Thats why gave an example of the final sales tax rate in AL.


Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
2551 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:02 am to
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It would raise your sales tax rate by an additional 27-29%(Almost 40% here in AL)



edit.

you right. i was wrong. i was thinking income.


enjoying eating my crow now
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:08 am
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
18215 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:03 am to
Our sales tax in Colorado is already 9%. Why not?
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7264 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:04 am to
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No. I’d support cutting federal spending, no income tax, no property tax, no sales tax.


Id love this too...but not politically realistic
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7264 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:09 am to
[quote]quote:It would raise your sales tax rate by an additional 27-29%(Almost 40% here in AL) thats false. no one in their right mind would support adding an additional tax. the fair tax is replacing existing taxes. read up. LINK ]

The FairTax is a federal tax. It wont replace state income taxes. It would replace income and payroll taxes. Theoretically youd be paying the same.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
13807 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:11 am to
Only way this would ever be fair is to remove all exemptions across the board for individuals and corporations.

No more IRS and no more yearly tax return filings to adjust and reduce your taxable liability.

If the ultra rich and the ultra poor are provided means of circumventing tax laws then no matter what you do the middle class will continue to bare the burden of funding the country and world.

Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70136 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:12 am to
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Can we exclude food from the sales tax?



No exemptions.

This is for a couple of reasons:

1 - Every family irrespective of income receives what's referred to as a "prebate" at the start of every month that's the amount of tax anticipated to be paid on basic necessities.



2 - Under the current income tax system, approx. 21-27% of what makes up the retail price paid at the register are embedded corporate income taxes that are passed along the distribution chain from the manufacturer all the way down to the retailer. These corporate income taxes are ultimately paid by the consumer.

Those embedded corporate income taxes go away under the FairTax, so there's no reason for those cost components to be included in the margins of the goods sold. That eliminated income tax component is approximately the same rate as the National Retail Sales Tax.

In short - federal income taxes that corporations collect (paid by consumers) are practically replaced to the penny by the National Retail Sales Tax. That means price movement under this system would be negligible.

The major difference is that federal withholding would go away, so all workers would be taking home their entire paycheck.

I've posted about it extensively, and am happy to provide links to some of the more thorough explanations, if desired.
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
2551 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:12 am to
yup, edited my original because i realized i was wrong. i was misunderstanding.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7264 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:13 am to
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Only way this would ever be fair is to remove all exemptions across the board for individuals and corporations. No more IRS and no more yearly tax return filings to adjust and reduce your taxable liability.


It eliminates all this, including capital gains tax
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
76340 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:18 am to
I've supported it for years.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70136 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:18 am to
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It would raise your sales tax rate by an additional 27-29%

That's not entirely accurate. The sales tax rate would go up, but you'd lose approximately the same amount in embedded corporate income taxes that comprise a quarter of the cost of goods that we currently pay. It's almost an even swap.



With continued efforts by DOGE to eliminate wasteful federal spending, rooting out fraud & money laundering, and augmenting internal revenue with external revenue from tariffs, this is eminently doable.

Remember, a key provision of the bill requires abolition of the 16th Amendment, legalizing the income tax at the federal level. The 2/3 majority of the House & Senate would have sufficient support from the state legislatures to approve the amendment. That concurrent will of the people would likely carry over to affect similar change in the remaining states that have income taxes there, as well.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
29461 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:20 am to
quote:

FairTax


quote:

You would receive a monthly prebate of ~$250 monthly. Some more depending on income level.


Not really "fair"...

Better to just go with a consumption tax, period.
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