This is the thread for positive thoughts over the past 24 hours of news

I'm positive I can finally mute/unfollow the Pels on twitter once the season starts again. My timeline will be much less cluttered on gamedays

Positives:

No one has their head in the sand anymore about what a clownshow both organizations are

Even the media members that were terrified of crossing the Bensons are now starting to talk about it openly

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if Pels can get their focus back on building a winning team, it'll be all for the good.

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What about Joe Dumars gives you the feeling that he is someone that can help build a team? He destroyed one already and the talk was that 11+ years ago, the league had passed him by.

Positive news, lower bowl seats will be going for pennies next year

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People stop showing up, TV sales go down, and gayle will sell if she starts losing enough money.

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I don't think she can really lose money with NBA revenue sharing.

I am starting to think that low attendance/support and lower revenue (without a loss) could be weaponized as a negotiating tactic for a renovated or new stadium deal. It's how every Benson family negotiation had ever gone "woe us a low revenue team behind a better deal to stay in New Orleans."

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I don't think she can really lost money with NBA revenue sharing.

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It's hard to lose money right now as an NBA owner as long as you aren't a tax team.

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Dumars is a hall of fame player, and has won championships as a player and executive. Most importantly to me is he came up in the gym.

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So why did he fail so bad in Detroit after 2004? What's changed?

Here are my positive thoughts. The herd on this board is often very very wrong. And right now it’s bordering on a reddit style, fully melted down, echo chamber.

Here is just 1 example out of many. Most of this board thought we were a lock for 50 plus wins this season. How did that turn out?

2nd example. The majority of this board thought the Lakers tanked their future by trading for AD. Since then, they have won a Mickey Mouse ring, unearthed an All Star in Austin Reaves (without even spending a pick on him), and found a way to con the Mavs for Luka Doncic.

There are dozens of other examples, but I’ll stick to those for now.

Currently the board is raging for 2-3 common reasons.

A) potentially Keeping Willie Green. This isn’t even a done deal. But even if it is, Willie has only been able to coach the team he signed up for 10-15% of the time and we were at the top of the West for a portion of that rare time. He’s had to deal with the chaos of Zion not being reliable the entire time. Imagine trying to construct a plan offensively and defensively around your best player, that is often never there and a lot of times, barely gives notice that he won’t be there (IE: game 1 this season)

B) Potentially hiring Joe Dumars. I wish they had more of an open search, but this board seems willing to ignore very recent glaring mistakes Griffin has made and is overvaluing mistakes Dumars made 15-20 years ago. Perhaps he’s grown from those mistakes. Griffin, on the other hand, is days removed from his mistakes of actively tanking this organization. There is a significant chance that Dumars will be a better GM than Griffin. Especially if we are keeping Bryson Graham around, who reportedly is a big part of our scouting and drafting over the past several years.

C) potentially trading Zion. This dude has given us nothing for 6 years. Nothing on the court. Nothing off the court. He accepted the key to the city from Drew Brees and has done nothing but defile it. His talent is significant. However, his game style does not fit in the modern nba, even if he was more disciplined on and off the court.

Getting rid of Griff and Zion are positive culture moves. Addition by subtraction. Keeping Willie Green, if key players such as Trey Murphy and Herb Jones are on board, is likely also another positive culture move as he will finally get to coach the team without the stain/distractions of Griffin and Zion in the shadows.

People are also discounting that we have a chance to draft Cooper Flagg or even Dylan Harper this offseason. Can we pause the melt a bit until we at least learn our lottery position?

A lot of key members on this board, myself included have openly admitted to watching 10 or less games this season. Griffin and Zion already destroyed this team’s culture and fanbase.

Could we make a better step with a new GM? Sure. But I am willing to give Dumars a chance if he is the choice. He did not actively tank the Pelicans chances the last 6 years, David Griffin was the one responsible for those sins. Sports are a prime place for growth and redemption. Perhaps Joe Dumars has had the time to sit back, reflect, and this is his time for redemption.

First of all, several of the things said are wrong. Flat out wrong.

Second, the problem is THE PROCESS.

They just hired their friend one hour after they fired the other guy.

No process. No search. No outside voices. No hearing from young execs.

Just good ole boy hire my friend and call it a day.


If they interviewed 10 guys and then hired Dumars, people would debate and not like it but at least they had a process.

Dumars might work out great. No one knows. But the process is lazy, arrogant, and pathetic

People can be critical of the process and the hire and still hope he succeeds

I hope he does.